RobertS is strictly smells and bells. He's just another one who likes quoting select snips from +ABL that suit his agenda. 

Lol. Have you even read the New Catechism, which Pope John Paul II declared a sure norm for teaching the Faith, before rejecting it?

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The new catechism teaches that the death penalty is immoral. How could God command people to put people to death many times in the Old Testament if it were immoral? And why would it be practiced by every Christian society without any condemnation from the Church until the 21st century?

This is not the same faith that the Church has always taught.

Robert, you're a smart guy, you've done a lot of good work. But why have you returned to the vomit? Are you also a Freemason? You know there would not even be an Indult Mass were it not for the true Catholic shepherds like Archbishop Lefebvre who stood up for the Faith, who understood that obedience is at the service of the Faith and not an end in itself. You know very well that the Indult has only ever been applied in such a fashion as to keep the faithful from Tradition.

Remember the warning of St Vincent of Lerins. Reject the novelties and hold fast to Tradition.

At the very least you are encouraging the faithful to place themselves in an occasion of sin against the Faith. You would have me back in my local parish with the priest bringing in a Buddhist monk to teach me how to do Buddhist meditation rather than under a faithful priest leading me along the straight and narrow path to Salvation.

Our Lord gave us the criterion: judge the tree by its fruits. Stop guiding the faithful towards evil.

You have lost sight of the purpose of all ecclesiastical law: the salvation of souls. That is the supreme law which trumps every other law. Have you forgotten? Whence comes this legalistic mindset when you can see the rot and perversion permeating the entire modernist edifice? Why would you have us jump on board?

Archbishop Lefebvre was given by God to the Church as a light in the darkness of the Conciliar revolution. Listen to him! "It is therefore a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the Tradition of the Catholic Church and of the Catholic Faith".

Be careful! You will have to give an account to God.

RobertS, you have been duped.  Your mission is not to convert us.  I don't even know why you are trying.  Do you think that if you bring all of us renegade Catholics back into the fold of Pope Francis, then all will be well?  Do you have a request from God to do this?  I do not understand why you are so insistent.
If you could actually explain yourself, instead of being aggressive with your position, then maybe real conversations would happen.

The Crisis in the church is such that you either make a deal with Rome and assimilate into the Modern errors that have grown over the last 60+ years, or you believe that there hasn't been a pope since Vatican 2.  Both choices are not Catholic and this is why we have a crisis.

All of us who attend Masses not approved by Pope Francis, do so because we want the surety of worshiping Jesus and not bread.  (I don't know if all Novus Ordo and Indult Masses are just bread worshiping.)

If you want to understand, why we are where we are then ask, but telling us over and over how you think everything went down is annoying.  Some of us have been going through this crisis or the 20+ years and are very well read on all the topics involved.

I will say this, I do understand where you are coming from.  I myself struggled with the idea that if we were just obedient then the mess would not have lasted so long.  These are the trials God wants us to go through.  He wants those who have the true Faith to stand strong.  The only thing that will correct this problem for most is that a true Catholic Pope corrects all the errors of Vatican 2, then reconciliation can happen.

RobertS, you have been duped.  Your mission is not to convert us.  I don't even know why you are trying.  Do you think that if you bring all of us renegade Catholics back into the fold of Pope Francis, then all will be well?  Do you have a request from God to do this?  I do not understand why you are so insistent.
If you could actually explain yourself, instead of being aggressive with your position, then maybe real conversations would happen.

The Crisis in the church is such that you either make a deal with Rome and assimilate into the Modern errors that have grown over the last 60+ years, or you believe that there hasn't been a pope since Vatican 2.  Both choices are not Catholic and this is why we have a crisis.

All of us who attend Masses not approved by Pope Francis, do so because we want the surety of worshiping Jesus and not bread.  (I don't know if all Novus Ordo and Indult Masses are just bread worshiping.)

If you want to understand, why we are where we are then ask, but telling us over and over how you think everything went down is annoying.  Some of us have been going through this crisis or the 20+ years and are very well read on all the topics involved.

I will say this, I do understand where you are coming from.  I myself struggled with the idea that if we were just obedient then the mess would not have lasted so long.  These are the trials God wants us to go through.  He wants those who have the true Faith to stand strong.  The only thing that will correct this problem for most is that a true Catholic Pope corrects all the errors of Vatican 2, then reconciliation can happen.

Good post!

“The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops and the bones of priests.” - St. Athanasius was one among other saints and Doctors who taught this.

Yes. There are not even a single saint that believed the Hell is empty, I only know the Origen  heresy of apokatastasis, but it's an heresy.