My guess is that Traddie's claim about NO non-recognition of +Thuc orders is based on the universally-misinterpreted passage from them, misinterpreted by those who have some agenda against the +Thuc line.

It goes something like (from memory):  Whatever one wants to say regarding the validity of the Orders, we [Conciliars] consider them illegitimate.

What this means is that they're simply prescinding from making any assessment/study/judgment regarding the validity of the orders.  Clearly, however, their validity is presumed by them in that if +Thuc had not validly consecrated +Carmona/+Zamorra/+des Lauriers, then he would not have incurred the ipso facto excommunication.

My father (alive and well) basically follows what my mother wanted/did,  FOR THE MOST PART.. He is/was a very good father in the temporal sense. Led the family, disciplined, etc. He is sort of a get it over with Church goer, I'm sorry to say. He does pray, say the Rosary by himself, etc. What's funny is that when I was in the N.O, I couldn't wait for Church to be over, either.

 He grew up with no father, had a rough life, but grew up to be a stable, prize of a future husband/engineer. He makes literally no decision off an emotion, it's quite impressive, and I look up to him a lot. I may be wrong on what he thinks personally, he's a very private, out of the spotlight kind of man. Although, he agrees with everything I say about the Church and N.O. This is what confuses me.

If he said to my mother: we are gonna go to SPPX/Sede church, she would follow with no resistance. The husbands need to lead and get over their attachment to the boomer retirement lifestyle, like my dad won't admit he wants. A lot of dads are straight lazy with spiritual things and don't wanna talk to anybody to save their lives... We are at war, no time to ignore what is going on in the Church or right in our neighborhood.

Thanks for sharing all of that, Everlast.  This is why I asked.  IMO, I think it is your father that needs to change, and the rest (your mother) will follow.

My father (alive and well) basically follows what my mother wanted/did,  FOR THE MOST PART.. He is/was a very good father in the temporal sense. Led the family, disciplined, etc. He is sort of a get it over with Church goer, I'm sorry to say. He does pray, say the Rosary by himself, etc. What's funny is that when I was in the N.O, I couldn't wait for Church to be over, either.

 He grew up with no father, had a rough life, but grew up to be a stable, prize of a future husband/engineer. He makes literally no decision off an emotion, it's quite impressive, and I look up to him a lot. I may be wrong on what he thinks personally, he's a very private, out of the spotlight kind of man. Although, he agrees with everything I say about the Church and N.O. This is what confuses me.

If he said to my mother: we are gonna go to SPPX/Sede church, she would follow with no resistance. The husbands need to lead and get over their attachment to the boomer retirement lifestyle, like my dad won't admit he wants. A lot of dads are straight lazy with spiritual things and don't wanna talk to anybody to save their lives... We are at war, no time to ignore what is going on in the Church or right in our neighborhood.

Do you think it is harder for this generation to fight a war that they can't really see? 

I agree with 2Vermont, he just needs to make it happen.  Prayers for your family.

Ah yes, this old error which we Indult traditionalists have now decisively triumphed over. Read how Fr. Gleize, of the SSPX, now agrees with Indult Catholics that the Roman Catholic Church at Rome is the True Church, while there is still an illness of sorts affecting some of the men of the Church: "Ever since the authorities of the Society of Saint Pius X have been getting closer to conciliar Rome in the hopes of obtaining a canonical recognition, their language has changed. A new thesis contrived by a theology professor at Écône named Fr. Gleize, maintains that there is no conciliar church in the sense of an organized society; the current crisis is rather an “illness” affecting the men of the Church, and the Church presently at Rome is the Catholic Church. This is what Bishop Fellay says, for example in his ordination sermon at the seminary of La Reja (Buenos Aires, Argentina) on December 20th, 2014:
https://dominicansavrille.us/is-there-a-conciliar-church/

Now, to proceed in good scholastic fashion, Stubborn, first (1) define your terms. What exactly are you calling (2) the Conciliar Church and (3) the Catholic Church. Is the entire Roman Catholic Church, the Pope and all the Bishops appointed by and communion with him for you a "Conciliar Church". In the same way, I could say, that Post Vatican I the Church supposedly defected from the faith and fell into heresy and became a "Conciliar Church". But such a thesis would be heretical and thus unfortunately so is yours. The Catholic Church didn't defect post V2.

"Conciliar Church" probably speaking is an orientation affecting some of the men of the Church. Thus we may say Cardinal Burke or Abp. Cordileone represents the Catholic Church whereas Kasper or Fernandez the Conciliar Churcch - the same battle between good and bad Cardinals mentioned by Our Lady of Akita. Next, if the marks of the True Church - One, Holy, Roman, Catholic and Apostolic - aren't in Rome, then where are they? What of the indefectibility of the Church of Rome as a local Church as taught by St. Robert and Msgr. Fenton? So many problems with your thesis, Stubborn, but that will do for now. And, care to address the +ABL quotes?

When Our Lord commented "Think ye when the Son of Man returns, He will find faith on the earth"?  Where exactly is the Church when Our Lord returns?  Did the gates of hell prevail?  Of course not.  
When Our Lord established His Church, did He first adorn it with Vatican City and church buildings? When a pope dies, does the Church cease to exist? No to both questions.  Point is, the Church is not a pope or physical structure.  The Church has those things but it exists without them.  The first criteria is the faith.  We are to believe all that Our Lord commanded and defined by the teaching authority of His Chuch.  It is clear that Vatican ll hierarchy has rejected the teaching authority and has replaced the worship of God with the worship of man.  In fact, these men who hijacked Our Lord's Church will tolerate all religions except traditional Catholicism.  Yes, they will tolerate the Latin Mass but only if there is no condemnation of the modernist errors and Vaticanll.  As long as we don't make waves or stir their conscience. Our Lord was crucified for condemning the errors  of the church leaders in His day.  St. John the Baptist had his head cut off for condemning the adultery committed by the political leader of his day.  Where are those brave men today?

Anyone else wondering who the (1) Novus Ordite is? Is poche back too?

Your spiritual leader has instructed you that God wills the diversity of religions, so why are you on here bashing our religion, in defiance of Bergoglio, when God has willed the Traditional movement, the SV groups, and everything else?  Please explain why you are so mean to your brethren in Christ?  Salza spent much virtual ink on how SSPX lacks "mission" but his own Popes instructed him that even the Orthodox and Protestants have mission.  In denouncing us this way, these clowns don't even realize that they're contradicting the same facts of the new religion that has led many of us to become Traditional Catholics.  They want to have their Pope and ignore him too.

RobertS,

Do you think, as Francis, that Hell is probably empty?

If not. What do you think about this and the rest of his heretic quotes?