Ah yes, this old error which we Indult traditionalists have now decisively triumphed over. Read how Fr. Gleize, of the SSPX, now agrees with Indult Catholics that the Roman Catholic Church at Rome is the True Church, while there is still an illness of sorts affecting some of the men of the Church: "Ever since the authorities of the Society of Saint Pius X have been getting closer to conciliar Rome in the hopes of obtaining a canonical recognition, their language has changed. A new thesis contrived by a theology professor at Écône named Fr. Gleize, maintains that there is no conciliar church in the sense of an organized society; the current crisis is rather an “illness” affecting the men of the Church, and the Church presently at Rome is the Catholic Church. This is what Bishop Fellay says, for example in his ordination sermon at the seminary of La Reja (Buenos Aires, Argentina) on December 20th, 2014:
https://dominicansavrille.us/is-there-a-conciliar-church/
Well, that the SSPX leans conciliar, sad tho it is, is not something unheard of - after all, nearly the whole Catholic world went conciliar after V2 - and they all only knew the true faith and Mass but went conciliar anyway.
The problem with the SSPX is the same as all faithful Catholics who've gone conciliar, namely, their willingness to compromise their faith.
Now, to proceed in good scholastic fashion, Stubborn, first (1) define your terms. What exactly are you calling (2) the Conciliar Church and (3) the Catholic Church. Is the entire Roman Catholic Church, the Pope and all the Bishops appointed by and communion with him for you a "Conciliar Church". In the same way, I could say, that Post Vatican I the Church supposedly defected from the faith and fell into heresy and became a "Conciliar Church". But such a thesis would be heretical and thus unfortunately so is yours. The Catholic Church didn't defect post V2.
By "conciliar church" I mean the same church Pope John Paul II meant when he called it - "the church of the New Advent," and of "the New Pentecost." This is not the Catholic Church, it's likely blasphemous to even say such things.
In short, we had our Pentecost, which was the Birthday of our Holy Mother the Church on the first Pentecost Sunday when the Holy Ghost descended upon Our Blessed Mother and the Apostles. The conciliar church had their pentecost when (apparently) the spirit of revolution descended upon the council which was comprised of the pope, +/-2500 bishops and 6 protestant advisors at V2. The conciliar church had it's own Pentecost at V2, which is when the conciliar church was born.
No, the Catholic Church on earth did not nor can it ever defect, it is still the one true Church that will last till the end of time and her magisterium will remain immune from all error - this is how we know the conciliar church is not the Catholic Church. What you are suggesting, is that wrong cannot be wrong because the church said it's ok, what you have not accepted is that you have your churches mixed up is all, when you accept that 1 is Catholic, 1 is conciliar usurping the name "Catholic" I believe you should stop wrongfully calling the conciliar church, Catholic.
"Conciliar Church" probably speaking is an orientation affecting some of the men of the Church. Thus we may say Cardinal Burke or Abp. Cordileone represents the Catholic Church whereas Kasper or Fernandez the Conciliar Churcch - the same battle between good and bad Cardinals mentioned by Our Lady of Akita. Next, if the marks of the True Church - One, Holy, Roman, Catholic and Apostolic - aren't in Rome, then where are they? What of the indefectibility of the Church of Rome as a local Church as taught by St. Robert and Msgr. Fenton? So many problems with your thesis, Stubborn, but that will do for now. And, care to address the +ABL quotes?
I'm no fan of Fr. Fenton, I believe he is part of the problem along with some other popular theologians of the last few centuries who taught as if it is a de fide teaching of the Church, that the pope has some additional infallibility above and beyond what was dogmatically defined at V1. All these theologians managed to accomplish was to instill false obedience to papal authority because they taught a false idea of papal infallibility.
Well the 4 marks are not in the conciliar church of Rome, this is obvious to Catholics who have not compromised. The reason they are not in Rome is because Rome kicked them out for the V2 religion. The 4 marks are present wherever the true faith and Mass are celebrated, always will be.
As for +ABL quotes, you need to consider the times, the chaos and confusion among *all* the faithful, including +ABL of those days make the covid confusion of a few years ago look like nothing at all. As to why he didn't roundly condemn the new jazz for what it is I cannot say and won't guess, there is no need to because of how obviously evil the new jazz is, was and can only always be.
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