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Poll

What is your traditionalist position?

Sedevacantist
42 (50.6%)
Resistance
13 (15.7%)
SSPX
21 (25.3%)
Indult
6 (7.2%)
Novus Ordo
1 (1.2%)

Total Members Voted: 80

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Your Traditionalist Position
« on: September 02, 2024, 01:45:37 PM »
What is your traditionalist position?

Re: Your Traditionalist Position
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2024, 01:56:31 PM »
I chose SSPX. Sedeprivationist SSPX-Mass attendee isn't a choice.


Re: Your Traditionalist Position
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2024, 02:12:59 PM »
I checked sedevacantist, however, the sedeprivationist is the closest I’ve been able to reason through.  I’m strictly dogmatic about it; recognizing that others may legitimately hold differing points of view.  There is no sedeprivationist chapel near me, so I attend a sedevacantist chapel.  I will attend an SSPX or Resistance chapel since I view the matter as unable to be certainly determined until a fully Catholic Pope makes a definitive ruling.  

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Re: Your Traditionalist Position
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2024, 03:14:01 PM »
This poll is missing some choices.

Would it be better to say 
recognize and resist, 
sedevacantist, 
unclear middle position, 
indult, 
other, 
all, 
anything but that which is attached to the Novus Ordo?

Re: Your Traditionalist Position
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2024, 05:07:29 PM »
This poll is missing some choices.

Would it be better to say
recognize and resist,
sedevacantist ...

The problem with that is it assumes that sedevacantista are not also recognize and resisters.

Fr. Cekada's sect recognizes Pius XII as a legitimate pope, but resists (i.e., rejects) his liturgical reforms.

Every sedevacantist sect recognizes Benedict XVI as a legitimate pope, yet they reject countless laws that he promulgated in the 1917 code.  For example, every one of their bishops were consecrated without papal mandate, in direct defiance of the 1917 Code, and also in defiance of the law promulgated by Pius XII who attached an ipso facto excomminucation to that crime.  By recognizing Pius XII as pope, they are morally obliged to recognize their own excommunication and act accordingly, yet none of them do. Every sedevacantist priest/bishop hears confession and pretends to grant absolution, in direct definiance of the 1917 Code, which explicitly forbids any priest/bishop from doing so who does not possess ordinary faculties (except in danger of death).

I could go on and on, but the point is that every sedevacantist priest, and every sedevacantist laymen who attends a sede chapel, rejects legitimate laws that were promulgate by popes who legitimacy they accept. The same is true for the sedeprivationists.

So, the categories should be:

1) Non sedevacantist recognize and resist.
2) Sedevacantist recognize and resist.
3) Sedeprivationist recognize and resist.