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Offline donkath

Your Call
« on: August 09, 2020, 11:56:20 PM »
Browsing through the various offerings by thoughtful Catholics about the the status of various priests etc. I would like to ask a rhetorical question.

If +/Fr.J. Pfeiffer was the only priest available to offer you the last Sacraments if you are dying would you allow him to minister them to you?

I do not ask this question facetiously because it seems to me that if he is not acceptable during my regular daily life then it holds that he would not be acceptable when I am dying.
I would have to make the deliberate choice to reject the Last Sacraments from him in order to keep the unchanging perennial Faith.  If I accepted them I would betray the Faith.  From what I have been reading it seems that I would have no alternative but to keep the Faith I have abided by during my lifetime and reject his ministrations.    

It is very important to keep brutally objective when considering this.  Please do not get on the roundabout of debating canon law etc.  That has already been one to death and is specifically what I am trying to avoid when asking this question from a mere pewsitter's perspective.  It is a matter of applying and keeping the Faith pure and simple.  From what I have been reading it seems that I would have no alternative but to keep the Faith I have abided by during my lifetime and reject his ministrations.    

The next step would be to apply the same principle to each priest.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Your Call
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2020, 05:20:18 AM »
Quote from: donkath on August 09, 2020, 11:56:20 PM
If +/Fr.J. Pfeiffer was the only priest available to offer you the last Sacraments if you are dying would you allow him to minister them to you?
My answer is, yes, if he were the only priest available, I would allow him to administer the last sacraments to me. Generally speaking, in our last hours, particularly in these times, we are in no position to turn away a priest, which, whatever else he may or may not be, Fr. P certainly is a priest.

Trent's Session 14, Chapter 7 says:

"Nevertheless, for fear lest any may perish on this account, it has always been very piously observed in the said Church of God, that there be no reservation at the point of death, and that therefore all priests may absolve all penitents whatsoever from every kind of sins and censures whatever: and as, save at that point of death, priests have no power in reserved cases, let this alone be their endeavour, to persuade penitents to repair to superior and lawful judges for the benefit of absolution".

It should be noted I think that trads who have been faithful and live according to the true teachings of the Church, attend only the True Mass etc., and have not and will never have anything to do with the NO, really should have no need to worry about God sending a false shepherd to you in your last hour. OTOH, compromisers might have cause for concern. 

It should also be noted that we are supposed to pray daily for the grace of final perseverance and the grace of a happy death, and in addition, these days we should pray every day for God to "send me a good holy Roman Catholic priest to give me the Last Rites before I die, and that I receive them with the proper disposition," do this, and surely God will provide for us what we ask.

John 7:8 For every one that asketh, receiveth: and he that seeketh, findeth: and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.
Haydock: Whatever we ask necessary to salvation with humility, fervour, perseverance, and other due circuŠ¼stances, we may be assured God will grant when it is best for us. If we do not obtain what we pray for, we must suppose it is not conducive to our salvation, in comparison of which all else is of little moment.   
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Your Call
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2020, 08:38:04 AM »
Quote from: donkath on August 09, 2020, 11:56:20 PM
I do not ask this question facetiously because it seems to me that if he is not acceptable during my regular daily life then it holds that he would not be acceptable when I am dying.

As Stubborn mentioned, this is not true.  In danger of death, one may approach any priest, even a non-Catholic, say, an Orthodox (although they would be very reluctant to give you the Sacraments if they know your'e a Catholic).  In fact, at danger of death, one may even receive them from a doubtfully-valid priest ... if that's your only option.

Nevertheless, make the First Fridays and you're promised not to die without the Sacraments.
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Offline donkath

Re: Your Call
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2020, 10:49:07 AM »
Thank you very much Stubborn and Ladislaus for these clear replies.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Your Call
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2020, 10:53:45 AM »
This is because the CHURCH and the Church alone has rights over the administration of the Sacraments, and the Church commands even the schismatics to administer the Sacraments to the Catholic faithful in time of need.

St. Pius X even permitted Catholics who lived in Orthodox territories with no Catholic churches around to receive Sacraments from the Orthodox provided they could do so without causing scandal.  This was by no means done as some kind of EcuŠ¼enical gestures, or to minimize the gravity of schism, but for the good of the faithful.  So this was a case where even for Confessions there was Church-supplied jurisdiction for the good of souls.
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