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Two years after Traditionis Custodes
« on: August 30, 2023, 09:59:54 AM »
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    30 August 2023|Sermons
    August 30, 2023

    Sermon from Fr. Alphonsus


    Redemptorists normally avoid giving polemical sermons.
    However, because we recently passed the second anniversary of the motu proprio of Pope Francis entitled Traditionis Custodes (Guardians of Tradition), I thought it prudent, if not necessary, to speak about this for the good of your souls, and also to give you some encouragement.
    There is much that could be said, but I’ll keep this sermon short.
    For more information, you can go to the sspx.org website.
    I’ll briefly go through a few questions, and try to give short, simple answers to them.

    What was the point of Traditionis Custodes?
    In short, Pope Francis essentially nullified Benedict XVI’s own motu proprio of July 7, 2007. Benedict had admitted that the Tridentine Mass had never been abrogated (or forbidden), and allowed any priest to offer the Tridentine rite. Benedict’s motu proprio was by no means perfect (among other reasons, because it did not acknowledge that the crisis in the Church is due to a change in doctrine); but Pope Francis now makes it difficult for priests to offer the Traditional Mass, and forbids It from being offered in parish churches.

    How does this affect those of us attached to the SSPX?
    It doesn’t. We continue serving God the way He wants us to serve Him – by transmitting to future generations the uncorrupted Traditional Catholic faith and liturgy, whole and entire.

    So if it doesn’t affect us, why should we be concerned with Pope Francis’ motu proprio?
    If we truly love the Catholic Church, we will feel deeply for this new wound of disunity inflicted upon our Mother by none other than the Pope Himself.

    But doesn’t Pope Francis say that it is the Traditional Mass that has become a source of disunity?
    Yes, and the Pope is wrong about this. Unity is based on Truth. The Tridentine Mass and the Traditional Catholic magisterium unite, because they are based on God’s Truth.
    Whereas it is the Novus Ordo rites and the conciliar magisterium which disunite, insofar as they are not based on Truth but on neo-modernist errors.

    But Pope Francis says that the Novus Ordo is the “unique expression of the law of prayer of the Roman rite”.
    Again, the Pope is wrong.
    Archbishop Lefebvre referred to the Novus Ordo as an “illegitimate”, “bastard” rite.
    Cardinal Ottaviani famously wrote his Intervention to show that “the Novus Ordo represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated … [at] the Council of Trent.”

    Can the Novus Ordo Mass be valid?
    Yes, certainly. But just because something is valid does not make it good.

    Is the Novus Ordo Mass pleasing to God?
    Inasmuch as it is the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father, yes; but inasmuch as it is a protestantized and watered-down rite, no. And that is why we must avoid it.

    So is Pope Francis’ motu proprio pleasing to God?
    No, it is very displeasing to God. God wants the Novus Ordo Mass to be eradicated, and the Traditional Mass restored. But Pope Francis is doing exactly the opposite of God’s Will.
    And yet, God is all-powerful, and He will bring a greater good from this great evil.

    But isn’t the Pope infallible?
    Only under very specific circuмstances. Not every word that falls from a pope’s lips is infallible. A motu proprio certainly is not. Moreover, this motu proprio is not even a legitimate law. As St. Thomas Aquinas says, “An unjust law is no law.”
    Pope Francis is abusing his power. And in the Acts of the Apostles we are told that we must “obey God rather than men” – even if that man is Pope.

    Is Francis really Pope?
    St. Alphonsus de Liguori says that one of the reflex principles of moral theology is that we must presume the legitimacy of an authority until proven otherwise.
    In other words, we must presume that Francis is Pope, and act accordingly. Just because a Pope is a bad Pope, doesn’t mean he isn’t Pope.

    To show our disgust, should we stop praying for Pope Francis?
    No – quite the contrary. We must pray to God to soften his heart so that he will finally give up his neo-modernism and embrace the fullness of Catholic Tradition.

    But can we criticize the actions of Pope Francis?
    There are times when we may criticize a Pope; indeed, there are times when we must.
    When St. Peter was causing scandal to the early Christian converts from paganism, St. Paul tells us that he “resisted him to his face”, because what the first Pope was doing was wrong and harmful to the Church.
    Likewise, while we must always respect the authority of the Pope (which comes from God), we can and sometimes must criticize his actions when they are displeasing to God and harm the Church.
    Our criticism of the Pope comes from love – love of God’s Truth, and love for the Pope’s soul.

    What is the devil’s part in all this disunity?
    The devil is afraid. He knows the power of the Tridentine Mass, the power of the preconciliar magisterium, the power of truly Catholic catechisms. He sees that people of good will in the Novus Ordo are beginning to take steps towards Catholic Tradition. And so the devil is angry, the devil is afraid.

    Why has God allowed this to happen?
    We can mention three reasons in particular:
    First, God wants us to have a greater appreciation for our Traditional Catholic Faith, our Tridentine rite of Mass.
    Second, He wants us to increase our love for the Church and for the Pope – though not for his neo-modernist errors.
    And third, God is giving a wake-up call to the good souls in the so-called “indult world”: He has allowed this to happen so that they will realize the depth of the crisis in the Church; He wants to bring them all the way into the fullness of Catholic Tradition.

    So what can we do about this situation in the Church?
    First, we must humble ourselves before God. If we have been given the gift of our Traditional Catholic Faith, the gift of the Tridentine rite of Mass, it’s not because we’re special or great. It’s entirely due to God’s Goodness. As St. Paul says, “the weak things of this world has God chosen to confound the strong.”
    Second, we must respectfully resist the errors of Pope Francis. And by doing this, we will please God.
    Third, we must dedicate ourselves more and more to the service of the Church.
    Pope Francis, in his introductory letter to the bishops, says that to belong to the Church, we must belong not only with the body but also with the heart. And this is true – but not in the way he means it.

    Tradition is the very heart of the Church, where the Holy Ghost lives and breathes.
    It’s the neo-modernists who are on the peripheries of the Church, suffocating from lack of grace and of doctrine.
    And that’s why, if we truly love those Catholics who are perishing in the desert paths of the Novus Ordo, our charity will want to go out to them and help them rediscover the Tradition that they’ve been deprived of for over 50 years now: as St. Paul tells us, “The charity of Christ urges us.”

    We cannot be indifferent to the plight of the Novus Ordo and indult Catholics who are languishing for lack of genuine spiritual sustenance. Modernism cannot satisfy the soul; the happy-clappy abuses might tantalize the senses, but they leave the soul dry.
    We must help them – by our prayers, by our sacrifices, by giving them good answers when they ask us questions, like “Why are you traditionalist Catholics?”

    Finally, to encourage you, we can quote the Commonitorium of St. Vincent of Lerins, which he wrote in the 5th century: “What if some novel contagion infects the whole Church…? Hold fast to Tradition, which cannot be seduced by any deceit of novelty.”

    Remember: we already know the end of this story. The devil already lost when Jesus Christ died on the Cross. We know Who has won this battle and this war. And that’s why we can have an unshakable hope, confidence and trust in Him Who died for love of us.

    Let’s go to the Blessed Virgin Mary, God’s Mother and ours, and ask her to protect the Church, the Pope, and Catholic Tradition. +


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2023, 03:07:56 PM »
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  • Well, the bishop of Cleveland Diocese near me, by no means a "conservative", has ignored Jorge, and all the Motu Masses in Cleveland continue on as before, in actual parish churches, on Sundays, other Sacraments also using Traditional Rite, etc.  And why not?  Jorge just said he was the Bishop of Rome, so why should the Bishop of Rome tell the Bishop of Cleveland what to do?


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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #2 on: August 30, 2023, 03:13:46 PM »
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  • Can the Novus Ordo Mass be valid?
    Yes, certainly. But just because something is valid does not make it good.

    Is the Novus Ordo Mass pleasing to God?
    Inasmuch as it is the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father, yes; but inasmuch as it is a protestantized and watered-down rite, no. And that is why we must avoid it.

    Correct Answers:  Possibly and No.

    It is by no means "certain" that the NOM can be valid.  There's a positive doubt and therefore, at least in the practical order, must be treated as invalid.

    No, the NOM is most certainly not pleasing to God.  He's making a bogus distinction here.  IF it's valid, the SACRIFICE itself that Our Lord were making would please God, but the NOM itself, which is the context in which the sacrifice is taking place, is not.  While Our Lord's sacrifice on the Cross was pleasing to God, God was not pleased by the blasphemies of the Jews and the affronts, insults, and injuries afflicted upon Him by the Roman soldiers.

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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #3 on: August 30, 2023, 03:16:22 PM »
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  • But isn’t the Pope infallible?
    Only under very specific circuмstances.

    Red Herring.  We're not talking about a Pope making an erroneous statement in an Encyclical Letter, but about his having perpetrated widespread destruction, corrupting the Magisterium, and destroying the Mass, all of which the guidance and protection of the Holy Ghost over the papacy would not permit from a legitimate pope.

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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #4 on: August 30, 2023, 03:17:13 PM »
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  • Is Francis really Pope?
    St. Alphonsus de Liguori says that one of the reflex principles of moral theology is that we must presume the legitimacy of an authority until proven otherwise.
    In other words, we must presume that Francis is Pope, and act accordingly. Just because a Pope is a bad Pope, doesn’t mean he isn’t Pope.

    Correct Answer:  No.  See response above for why he cannot be the pope.

    We must "act accordingly"?  Rejecting the Papal Magisterium and a Mass promulgated by the Pope, severing communion and going into schism from an actual Catholic Pope is not to "act accordingly".


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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #5 on: August 30, 2023, 11:11:54 PM »
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  • Well, the bishop of Cleveland Diocese near me, by no means a "conservative", has ignored Jorge, and all the Motu Masses in Cleveland continue on as before, in actual parish churches, on Sundays, other Sacraments also using Traditional Rite, etc.  And why not?  Jorge just said he was the Bishop of Rome, so why should the Bishop of Rome tell the Bishop of Cleveland what to do?
    All this is coming to an end shortly in the Cleveland Diocese. The TLM and traditional sacraments will be available only at St. Elizabeth of Hungary which has been suppressed as a parish and redesignated as a shrine. The Mass alone may continue at St. Stephen and St. Mary, Akron, if Rome approves these two locations for Mass only. All this will be in place by November 1.

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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #6 on: August 31, 2023, 01:00:49 AM »
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  • How does this affect those of us attached to the SSPX?
    It doesn’t. We continue serving God the way He wants us to serve Him – by transmitting to future generations the uncorrupted Traditional Catholic faith and liturgy, whole and entire.


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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #7 on: August 31, 2023, 04:40:24 AM »
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  • Quote
    Can the Novus Ordo Mass be valid?
    Yes, certainly. But just because something is valid does not make it good.

    Is the Novus Ordo Mass pleasing to God?
    Inasmuch as it is the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father, yes; but inasmuch as it is a protestantized and watered-down rite, no. And that is why we must avoid it.
    Correct Answers:  Possibly and No.


    It is by no means "certain" that the NOM can be valid.  There's a positive doubt and therefore, at least in the practical order, must be treated as invalid.

    No, the NOM is most certainly not pleasing to God.  He's making a bogus distinction here.  IF it's valid, the SACRIFICE itself that Our Lord were making would please God, but the NOM itself, which is the context in which the sacrifice is taking place, is not.  While Our Lord's sacrifice on the Cross was pleasing to God, God was not pleased by the blasphemies of the Jews and the affronts, insults, and injuries afflicted upon Him by the Roman soldiers.
    I don't really get it how so many trad priests, especially after 60 years of the destruction to the faith caused by the use of it, still preach the same wrong thing about the NOM.

    Not sure whether it was Fred or Bob who interviewed Fr. Wathen, who lays it out with beautiful clarity, but his answers from +30 years ago still remain true........

    "Question: As far as there are three main parts of the Mass, am I right? There’s the liceity, the morality and the validity. Would you explain each of these and give a little explanation of each of these in their different areas?

    Fr. Wathen: When you use the word liceity you’re referring to the question of whether the new mass is legal.
    When you speak of validity, you are discussing whether the consecration of the mass is valid and true, whether there is truly transubstantiation.

    When you discuss the matter of morality, you are questioning whether it’s a sin either to offer the new mass or to attend it.

    I hasten to say that if the new mass is against the law, then it is immoral, and if there is a question of validity in the consecration, then it is immoral for anyone to use it.

    Question: You believe it’s actually a sin, a mortal sin to use the new mass, is that not right?

    Fr. Wathen: That’s right. We believe that because the new mass is clearly against the law which governs the liturgy of the Roman Rite, that there is no legality to it - and we think that to violate the law with regard to the True Mass there is a moral violation, we believe that is a grievous violation, and therefore a sacrilegious violation of the True Mass. It is most important for people, when considering the new mass, always to bear in mind that the Traditional Latin Mass, which is to be found in the Missale Romanum of Pope Pius V, that, that is the standard whereby they judge any other Rite in the Roman Rite.

    Question: But the people say that the people make the contention that pope Paul VI had the right so therefore we must accept it.

    Fr. Wathen: That of course is a central question. We deny that he had such a right. That exactly is the point. We have every reason to question whether the pope had the authority to introduce a brand new mass, introduce a new Rite of the liturgy of the Western Church. We believe that when one reads Quo Primum of St. Pius V, he can see clearly that it is altogether forbidden for his successors, any of his successors to go contrary to this law.

    Here is a key question, whether a successor can override pope Pius V with regard to the establishment of the Rite of the Mass. It’s a key question.

    It was never considered that the pope could go contrary to this ruling because Quo Primum was issued to protect the Mass. It was as strong of legislation as the pope could possibly impose. If we say that his successor is not bound by this legislation, we have to say that the Church has no way of protecting it’s own liturgy...."

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Two years after Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #8 on: August 31, 2023, 10:47:42 AM »
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  • So if it doesn’t affect us, why should we be concerned with Pope Francis’ motu proprio?
    If we truly love the Catholic Church, we will feel deeply for this new wound of disunity inflicted upon our Mother by none other than the Pope Himself.

    But doesn’t Pope Francis say that it is the Traditional Mass that has become a source of disunity?
    Yes, and the Pope is wrong about this. Unity is based on Truth. The Tridentine Mass and the Traditional Catholic magisterium unite, because they are based on God’s Truth.
    Whereas it is the Novus Ordo rites and the conciliar magisterium which disunite, insofar as they are not based on Truth but on neo-modernist errors.

    Of course unity is based on truth, but Peter and his successors are the principle and center of the unity of the Church.  The pope is our rule of faith.  It's absolutely not possible for the Vicar of Christ to "disunite" the Church.  

    Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum
    "He chose Peter and his successors as the principle and centre, as it were, of this unity."

    And of course, we all know the magisterium cannot err.  So how does the "conciliar magisterium" cause disunity?

    There can be only one answer....the novus ordo is a false religion and is nothing more than a counter church.  What else can it be?
    Please pray for all of the holy souls in purgatory.