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WSJ on Francis vision for the Church
« on: April 10, 2015, 03:29:33 PM »
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  • There is so much in this article to elicit wailing and gnashing of teeth. :cry:

    WSJ on Francis


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    WSJ on Francis vision for the Church
    « Reply #1 on: April 10, 2015, 03:33:54 PM »
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  • From the article:

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    “It usually takes half a century for a council to begin to sink in,” says Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York. “Now we have a pope who says, ‘Look, we just had five decades of internal debates and controversy about the meaning of Vatican II, and now it’s time to do it.’ And that’s what he’s doing.”


    Translation: If the Seat ain’t vacant it’s gonna be.

    Get your Rosary and find a bunker.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 10, 2015, 03:40:36 PM »
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    The pope’s vision of Vatican II has translated into a dramatic shift in priorities, with an emphasis on social justice over controversial moral teachings and a friendlier approach to secular culture.


    And yet more openness to the modern world.

    Good grief someone pinch me. This can’t be real.

     

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    WSJ on Francis vision for the Church
    « Reply #3 on: April 10, 2015, 03:42:32 PM »
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    Pope Francis, the first pontiff to have received holy orders after Vatican II, is very much a son of the council. It took place during his years of study in the Jesuit order in Argentina—he was ordained just four years after it ended—and he enthusiastically followed the proceedings in Rome. On the eve of the 2013 conclave that elected him pope, then-Cardinal Bergoglio identified the main threat to the church: not the encroachment of secular culture but a tendency among Catholics themselves, especially within church institutions, to retreat into ghettos of their own making. The risk, he said, was of “theological narcissism.”


    This article is a roller coaster ride to hell.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 10, 2015, 03:45:07 PM »
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    He has said that the church should show “mercy” toward divorced and remarried Catholics (whom church law forbids from receiving Communion), flouted liturgical rules to wash the feet of Muslims and women, and received a transsɛҳuąƖ at the Vatican.


    Damn good article. Really lays it out there good and concisely.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 10, 2015, 03:46:07 PM »
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    “This pope is very much a man of [Vatican II],” says Archbishop Blaise J. Cupich of Chicago. “He has an understanding of how the church ought to be positioned at the service of the world, in which we don’t impose but we propose.”


    Sorry for the running of excerpts.

    But this is too “good” to be true.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 10, 2015, 03:48:16 PM »
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    Church leaders have privately complained that the pope’s oft-quoted comment about gαy priests—“Who am I to judge?”—has made their job more difficult in upholding church teachings. In November 2013, Catholic legislators in Illinois cited those words to explain their support for a same-sex marriage bill.


    The roller coaster ride’s almost over.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 10, 2015, 03:49:16 PM »
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    “Excessive centralization,” he has written, “rather than proving helpful, complicates the Church’s life and her missionary outreach.”


    Yes, Francis, things are simpler now.  :thinking:


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    « Reply #8 on: April 10, 2015, 03:51:38 PM »
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    The synod excited controversy even before its start, when the Vatican sent the world’s bishops’ conferences a questionnaire and encouraged them to seek the views of ordinary Catholics. The bishops’ conference of England and Wales even put the questionnaire on the SurveyMonkey site so that parishioners could fill it out online. Several conferences and individual bishops published summaries of the responses, generating complaints that church teaching should not be fodder for a public-opinion survey.


    SurveyMonkey. Apt.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 10, 2015, 03:54:50 PM »
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    At the synod’s first session, the pope told the nearly 200 members to speak “without fear” and “to say what one feels duty-bound in the Lord to say.” The ensuing debate, inside and outside the synod hall, was the fiercest the Vatican had seen since Vatican II itself, with sotto voce accusations of heresy and racism and even warnings of schism.


    Sotto voce? An American rag should speak to the people of God in English, no?

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    « Reply #10 on: April 10, 2015, 03:56:45 PM »
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    A docuмent issued at the gathering’s midpoint set off a furor because of its conciliatory language toward cohabiting couples, divorced and remarried Catholics, and those in same-sex unions. Australian Cardinal George Pell, the pope’s finance chief, was prompted to denounce the docuмent. “We’re not giving in to the secular agenda; we’re not collapsing in a heap,” he told Catholic News Service.


    What kind of agenda did they expect to find in the “modern world”?

    But he’s right: not a heap, but a pile.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 10, 2015, 03:57:58 PM »
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    American Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke went further, telling the Spanish magazine Vida Nueva that the church felt like a “ship without a rudder.” He called on Pope Francis to end debate with an unambiguous restatement of traditional moral teachings, but the pope did not oblige.


    Hello? You’re on the wrong boat.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 10, 2015, 03:59:16 PM »
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    “The public image that came across was confusion,” said Archbishop Charles J. Chaput of Philadelphia after the synod. “I think confusion is of the devil.” Though he added, “I don’t think that was the real thing there.”


    My home boy.

    No note of pride there.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 10, 2015, 04:01:47 PM »
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    “If your starting point is ‘We already have the answers,’ this process becomes difficult to deal with,” says Cardinal Wuerl. But the pope “is saying, ‘We have the revelation, but we don’t have the application for all times; don’t presume that we know everything and that we have every answer.’ ”


    No. You don’t have the answers. Nice of you to admit it.

    Ah, Wuerlie, that “presumption” is far from me. I’m ok.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 10, 2015, 04:03:00 PM »
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    Bishops will come together again in early October to resume debate and produce recommendations. Any changes in the church’s approach to family issues will be up to the pope. Yet his word will not be the last.


    No. Even Francis has a sky above his head.