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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Working together in the Traditional Catholic movement
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2022, 12:25:23 PM »
I'm not trying to turn this into the R&R Thread 2.0, but to instead seek solutions here. It would be great if we could achieve this kind of cease-fire in the quote above, though perhaps unrealistic.

There are two obstacles here. 

1) Church has not ruled, so the dogmatic extremes of the two sides, dogmatic SVs and dogmatic R&R, they each hold that the other side is heretical.

2) Pride, ego, stubbornness, desire to be popes in their little ponds.

So if both sides could rally around a sedeimpoundist/sedeprivationist type of perspective, that could definitely bridge the gap for #1 ... except that #2 pervents some from even looking at it, much less seriously considering it.

I myself have been confused with a dogmatic SV for holding that some articulations of R&R are heretical.  But I'm not a dogmatic SV, but a dogmatic indefectibilist.  I believe that some flavor of R&R are nothing more than a thinly-veiled repackaged Old Catholicism, and that they absolutely gut Catholic ecclesiology and the Catholic papacy ... so those are intolerable.

But if someone has a theory without that particular implied principle, I have no problem with it at all.  If someone wants to hold Montini and the others were replaced by doubles, more power to them.  I might disagree, but I don't have any theological or doctrinal problem with it.  After all, it's clear that they did replace Sister Lucy, and using doubles is in fact a known favorite Communist go-to tactic.  And the Communists tend to reuse the same bag of tricks over and over again.  There's actually some solid evidence that Montini was an active sodomite, and so blackmail is a possibility as well.  So, as far as I'm concerned, go for it.  Just don't try to tell me that the Church and the Papacy, guided as they are by the Holy Spirit, can corrupt the faith and the Church's public worship so badly that we are forced to break Communion with the Catholic hierarchy.

Re: Working together in the Traditional Catholic movement
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2022, 01:04:34 PM »
So if both sides could rally around a sedeimpoundist/sedeprivationist type of perspective, that could definitely bridge the gap for #1 ... except that #2 pervents some from even looking at it, much less seriously considering it.
I actually do have Contra Cekadam and it really is closer to sedeprivationism than Fr. Chazal would like to admit. I wrote you privately and I will write here that I do agree with you that it represents the best chance of working together. Whether or not that is enough to undo the second problem, I don't know. More of these older entrenched priests are dying, and while that may represent an opportunity, there may not be enough time to reorganize in a meaningful way before global conflict.



Re: Working together in the Traditional Catholic movement
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2022, 05:03:53 PM »
If Catholics could concentrate on passing on that which was given, I'm in.
Don't want anything tainted with NO questions.  Just the Catholic Faith.  Life is hard enough without having to figure out validity because of sketchy background.
Yes, The Faith is the one thing all trads have in common. The Modernist New Order can't take that from us.






Re: Working together in the Traditional Catholic movement
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2022, 07:44:35 AM »
Yes, The Faith is the one thing all trads have in common. 
I would dispute this.  
Even within this forum there are all kinds of splinters of the Faith.  Many have declared themselves theologians or, in essence, the pope.  Many say you don't have to believe this or that dogma and yet are still considered Catholic.  

Re: Working together in the Traditional Catholic movement
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2022, 10:30:59 AM »
I would dispute this. 
Even within this forum there are all kinds of splinters of the Faith.  Many have declared themselves theologians or, in essence, the pope.  Many say you don't have to believe this or that dogma and yet are still considered Catholic. 
Well, it's understandable considering the neverending flow of scandals and false/heterodox teaching coming out of Rome. 

The Enemy loves a scattered flock. Modernists love it as well.

No non Catholic will ever lurk a trad forum, or a forum such as Catholic Answers for that matter, and say "look at how they love one another".  

I have pretty much stopped keeping up with news out of Rome or political news. Imo, there is no spiritual benefit from it. But that's just me.