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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: AJNC on June 08, 2018, 07:29:12 PM

Title: WJ Morgan on Sedevacantism and R&R
Post by: AJNC on June 08, 2018, 07:29:12 PM
WJ Morgan was an English Traditional Catholic writer who died about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: WJ Morgan on Sedevacantism and R&R
Post by: Cantarella on June 08, 2018, 07:52:04 PM
This is the man who coined the term "Sedeprivationism" for the first time by the way, to refer to Des Laurier's Cassisiacuм Thesis. He did so, in order to distinguish it from strict Sedevacantism, which he was an adherent of.
Title: Re: WJ Morgan on Sedevacantism and R&R
Post by: Maria Regina on June 14, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
This is the man who coined the term "Sedeprivationism" for the first time by the way, to refer to Des Laurier's Cassisiacuм Thesis. He did so, in order to distinguish it from strict Sedevacantism, which he was an adherent of.
What is Sedeprivationism? And how does Sedeprivationism differ from Sedevacantism?

There are a few other words with sede- attached. Their meaning also escapes me. I have waded through a few threads on these topics, but I tire of all the arguments and labels which people give to others.
Title: Re: WJ Morgan on Sedevacantism and R&R
Post by: forlorn on June 14, 2018, 10:25:36 AM
What is Sedeprivationism? And how does Sedeprivationism differ from Sedevacantism?

There are a few other words with sede- attached. Their meaning also escapes me. I have waded through a few threads on these topics, but I tire of all the arguments and labels which people give to others.
Sedeplenism = Francis is the Pope

Sedeprivationism = the elections were valid so the Francis and co. were materially made Popes, but they didn't receive the form of the Papacy from God as their intentions were invalid(due to whatever impediments, heresy, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, whatever)

Sedevacantism = there is no Pope

Conclavist sedevacantism = none of the Vatican II Popes were valid BUT there is a real Pope out there, whoever that is.

Then there's also people who believe Benedict is still the Pope, I don't know what you call them.
Title: Re: WJ Morgan on Sedevacantism and R&R
Post by: TxTrad on June 14, 2018, 10:28:52 AM
What is Sedeprivationism? And how does Sedeprivationism differ from Sedevacantism?

There are a few other words with sede- attached. Their meaning also escapes me. I have waded through a few threads on these topics, but I tire of all the arguments and labels which people give to others.
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 I don't like the labels, either.  Very confusing.
Title: Re: WJ Morgan on Sedevacantism and R&R
Post by: 2Vermont on June 14, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Sedeplenism = Francis is the Pope

Sedeprivationism = the elections were valid so the Francis and co. were materially made Popes, but they didn't receive the form of the Papacy from God as their intentions were invalid(due to whatever impediments, heresy, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, whatever)

Sedevacantism = there is no Pope

Conclavist sedevacantism = none of the Vatican II Popes were valid BUT there is a real Pope out there, whoever that is.

Then there's also people who believe Benedict is still the Pope, I don't know what you call them.
I have heard the term Bennyvacantist.
Title: Re: WJ Morgan on Sedevacantism and R&R
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 14, 2018, 03:11:15 PM
(Then there's [there are] also people who believe Benedict is still the Pope, I don't know what you call them.)

I have heard the term Bennyvacantist.
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How about sedesubsistism? Like Benedict is hiding UNDER the Chair?