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Offline MyrnaM

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« on: April 23, 2014, 06:34:32 PM »
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  • http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/divorcee-claims-cold-call-pope-francis-article-1.1766490


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    An Argentinian woman is claiming Pope Francis phoned her on Monday with some doctrine-breaking news.
    The popular pontiff, who is known for making cold calls to lucky members of his flock, reportedly had an important message to share with Jacqui Lisbona and her previously divorced husband, Julio Sabetta.
    “A divorcee who takes communion is not doing anything wrong,” the pontiff purportedly said during the call, according to the Telegraph and La Stampa.
    A Vatican representative confirmed to CNN that the call took place, but said the content of the call was a private matter between a pastor and his parishioner.  If the couple’s version of events is true, the call signals Francis’ openness to re-examining centuries-old church doctrine.
    Divorcees who remarry have historically been banned from participating in communion, one of the Catholic Church’s most important sacraments. Unless the previous marriage is annulled, the Church believes entering into a new relationship is tantamount to adultery. Anyone who marries a divorced person is also thought to be an adulterer.
    Francis spoke about the hot-button issue during a Mass in March, saying that divorced people should be “accompanied” and not “condemned.”
    But that’s not how Lisbona felt.
    The woman married Sabetta in a civil ceremony more than 20 years ago. Although she is happy with her current husband and has two teenage daughters from the marriage, she still isn’t allowed to take communion at her local church.
    “[The priest] told me that every time I went home, I was going back to living in sin,” she said.
    She wrote to Francis six months ago about her troubles, confessing that she was considering taking communion at a church where she is a stranger, but fearing that it would be “violating Church rules.”


    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/divorcee-claims-cold-call-pope-francis-article-1.1766490#ixzz2zktDGVrm

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    With a pope like this who needs a Church!
    « Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 09:36:18 PM »
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  • I don't think that being divorced is the problem, it's the remarriage part that is the kicker.  

    Since the Vatican is mum on the contents of the call I suppose we'll never know if he really said what she claims he did, but it doesn't seem too far fetched in light of Kasper's recent pronouncements.

    Marsha


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    With a pope like this who needs a Church!
    « Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 09:47:46 PM »
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  • A month after Francis was elected rumors of a Ratzingerian schism were already brewing. B16 even had to come out of hiding to quell the rumors of forced abdication. If Vatican II was the French Revolution then this years synod on the family will be the October revolution.

    This is getting interesting for all the wrong reasons...
     

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    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 10:16:57 PM »
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  • Clearly, whatever the truth of the matter, someone is doing all of this undermining of the Magisterium and the Papacy on purpose. The question remains whether that person is one of the Pope's enemies, or one of his friends, or the Pope himself.

    It is an utter disgrace!
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 10:59:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/divorcee-claims-cold-call-pope-francis-article-1.1766490


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    An Argentinian woman is claiming Pope Francis phoned her on Monday with some doctrine-breaking news.
    The popular pontiff, who is known for making cold calls to lucky members of his flock, reportedly had an important message to share with Jacqui Lisbona and her previously divorced husband, Julio Sabetta.
    “A divorcee who takes communion is not doing anything wrong,” the pontiff purportedly said during the call, according to the Telegraph and La Stampa.
    A Vatican representative confirmed to CNN that the call took place, but said the content of the call was a private matter between a pastor and his parishioner.  If the couple’s version of events is true, the call signals Francis’ openness to re-examining centuries-old church doctrine.
    Divorcees who remarry have historically been banned from participating in communion, one of the Catholic Church’s most important sacraments. Unless the previous marriage is annulled, the Church believes entering into a new relationship is tantamount to adultery. Anyone who marries a divorced person is also thought to be an adulterer.
    Francis spoke about the hot-button issue during a Mass in March, saying that divorced people should be “accompanied” and not “condemned.”
    But that’s not how Lisbona felt.
    The woman married Sabetta in a civil ceremony more than 20 years ago. Although she is happy with her current husband and has two teenage daughters from the marriage, she still isn’t allowed to take communion at her local church.
    “[The priest] told me that every time I went home, I was going back to living in sin,” she said.
    She wrote to Francis six months ago about her troubles, confessing that she was considering taking communion at a church where she is a stranger, but fearing that it would be “violating Church rules.”


    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/divorcee-claims-cold-call-pope-francis-article-1.1766490#ixzz2zktDGVrm


    Is there any independant confirmation of this?


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    « Reply #5 on: April 23, 2014, 11:06:42 PM »
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  • poche,  I don't know, but I haven't heard any confirmation denying it, have you?
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    « Reply #6 on: April 23, 2014, 11:28:45 PM »
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  • Glad to see you back MyrnaM.

    He is no Pope, nor a bishop, and nor a priest.   He is just a layman
    in a white costume.

    The Vatican today is just a movie stage.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 24, 2014, 01:04:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/divorcee-claims-cold-call-pope-francis-article-1.1766490


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    An Argentinian woman is claiming Pope Francis phoned her on Monday with some doctrine-breaking news.
    The popular pontiff, who is known for making cold calls to lucky members of his flock, reportedly had an important message to share with Jacqui Lisbona and her previously divorced husband, Julio Sabetta.
    “A divorcee who takes communion is not doing anything wrong,” the pontiff purportedly said during the call, according to the Telegraph and La Stampa.
    A Vatican representative confirmed to CNN that the call took place, but said the content of the call was a private matter between a pastor and his parishioner.  If the couple’s version of events is true, the call signals Francis’ openness to re-examining centuries-old church doctrine.
    Divorcees who remarry have historically been banned from participating in communion, one of the Catholic Church’s most important sacraments. Unless the previous marriage is annulled, the Church believes entering into a new relationship is tantamount to adultery. Anyone who marries a divorced person is also thought to be an adulterer.
    Francis spoke about the hot-button issue during a Mass in March, saying that divorced people should be “accompanied” and not “condemned.”
    But that’s not how Lisbona felt.
    The woman married Sabetta in a civil ceremony more than 20 years ago. Although she is happy with her current husband and has two teenage daughters from the marriage, she still isn’t allowed to take communion at her local church.
    “[The priest] told me that every time I went home, I was going back to living in sin,” she said.
    She wrote to Francis six months ago about her troubles, confessing that she was considering taking communion at a church where she is a stranger, but fearing that it would be “violating Church rules.”


    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/divorcee-claims-cold-call-pope-francis-article-1.1766490#ixzz2zktDGVrm


    Is there any independant confirmation of this?


    In any event, His Humbleness should not be opening himself up to this situation with his numerous "private" phone calls that are so highly "publicized."  Wonder how many "neo-palegians" get calls from him?  Just connecting the dots is more investigation than that performed by the devils advocates looking into JXXIII & JPII UNWORTHINESS for canonization.  Frank is a mushy liberal commie hippie with piss poor judgment.  Although he makes me want to vomit and nudges me closer to sedevacantism everytime he opens his mouth, I am glad that he is so bold rather than having the wisdom to not overplay his hand.  That would make him even more dangerous.  At Mass, I pray for his Catholic intentions IF ANY & for his conversion.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 24, 2014, 01:52:42 AM »
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  • I have read that the Vatican has confirmed the phone call did take place but have said they are not privy to the exact nature of what was talked about.  Fair enough.

    But this seems like a trial balloon to me.  Float this 'innocent' story out to gauge the reaction amongst (NO) Catholics.  If the outrage is lacking or seems manageable, set the agenda for the fall Synod on the Family.  There has been a few stories along this line in the media the last few months.  Smells a lot like there are going to be changes to communion rules in the conciliar church this fall. I am sure much to the dismay of conservative types and many R&R'ers, but hey if you can explain away or paper over the last 50 years of blasphemy (Assisi 1-3), apostasy (new ecuмenism) and heresy, error and ambiguity (pretty much everything else) and the immanent canonizations of JP II and John XXIII to boot, really, why lose any sleep over public adulterers being received to communion ??







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    « Reply #9 on: April 24, 2014, 09:26:25 AM »
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    poche,  I don't know, but I haven't heard any confirmation denying it, have you?


    And then we have this, but still no denial.

    http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-hot-water-over-personal-phone-calls-001656159.html
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    « Reply #10 on: April 24, 2014, 10:05:28 AM »
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  • Just think, if the Pope of 1530 accepted divorce and remarriages of
    King Henry VIII, England would still be Catholic today.
    However, the Church would have sacrificed its true teachings for the
    sake of expediency and would have done greater damage to the Church
    in which the lost of England to the Faith would have been a minor
    incident.
    After all, The teachings comes from Jesus Christ and cannot be
    changed.
    Today, everything in the Church is being sacrificed for expediency
    and all are on the table.
    Just to get the World to approve and smile at the so called Bishop
    of Rome. He is one of us.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 24, 2014, 10:40:55 AM »
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  • Who wants a pope who's just one of us???
    I don't!  I want a holy pope who is an example to all catholics on how to be holy and reach sanctity...oh for the days of those holy fuddy-duddy popes who weren't always on the make!
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #12 on: April 24, 2014, 10:45:23 AM »
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    But this seems like a trial balloon to me.  Float this 'innocent' story out to gauge the reaction amongst (NO) Catholics.  If the outrage is lacking or seems manageable, set the agenda for the fall Synod on the Family.


    This is a tried-and-true method of the modernists. They employed the same MO with changes to the Mass, which eventually led to the creation of the NOM. I’ve said it many times, but it bears repeating: Because of his boldness (or lack of shame), Bergoglio is the greatest thing to happen to the Church.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #13 on: April 24, 2014, 10:53:35 AM »
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  • This is a disaster of epic proportions. Last I read, there were thousands of nominally Catholic couples living in these situations, in open adultery having sacrilegiously attempted marriage again after a divorce. Far from reproving and rebuking such lawlessness, the authorities were hitherto content with tacitly consenting to them. Now, they want to approve it expressly? They will all lose their souls if they go ahead with it.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 24, 2014, 11:07:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: Luker
    I have read that the Vatican has confirmed the phone call did take place but have said they are not privy to the exact nature of what was talked about.  Fair enough.

    But this seems like a trial balloon to me.  Float this 'innocent' story out to gauge the reaction amongst (NO) Catholics.  If the outrage is lacking or seems manageable, set the agenda for the fall Synod on the Family.  There has been a few stories along this line in the media the last few months.  Smells a lot like there are going to be changes to communion rules in the conciliar church this fall. I am sure much to the dismay of conservative types and many R&R'ers, but hey if you can explain away or paper over the last 50 years of blasphemy (Assisi 1-3), apostasy (new ecuмenism) and heresy, error and ambiguity (pretty much everything else) and the immanent canonizations of JP II and John XXIII to boot, really, why lose any sleep over public adulterers being received to communion ??









    Haven't you heard?  Until "the Church" (whoever that is these days) declares this pope an anti-pope you must NOT make common sense conclusions!!

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