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« on: December 31, 2007, 01:57:35 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: January 01, 2008, 08:14:34 PM »
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    Bishop Richard Williamson
    Kansas City, Missouri


    So, was Bp. Williamson the author of this?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 02, 2008, 01:05:53 PM »
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  • "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #3 on: January 02, 2008, 01:14:32 PM »
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    Bishop Richard Williamson
    Kansas City, Missouri


    So, was Bp. Williamson the author of this?


    The whole post was by +Williamson, yes. He is quoting Archbishop Lefebvre heavily in this particular post.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 03:02:06 PM »
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  • Matthew,

    Is the idea of 'a place for Tradition within the Church' (alongside Modernism, of course) consistent with sound ecclesiology?  If so, please explain.  If not, how is such a Church identifiable as the Holy Catholic Church?  Has it not become something which differs in an essential manner from what Christ founded?
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    « Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 11:12:40 PM »
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  • How about this question: how does one explain the situation of the Church being overrun by Arian heretics?
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 10:58:54 AM »
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    How about this question: how does one explain the situation of the Church being overrun by Arian heretics?


    Before we move on to other questions, I should like our host to comment upon the one I have asked above.

    Btw, there is nothing inconsistent with Holy Church's identity or mission in the scenario you have mentioned.  The same cannot be said about the idea of 'a place for Tradition within the Church'.  The very idea is modernist nonsense.
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    « Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 11:05:35 AM »
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  • I don't know the Archbishop personally, so I'm not sure what he meant by it. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, however, and assume a Catholic meaning, in light of the rest of the Archbishop's life story.

    It was probably from Rome's point of view when he said "a place for Tradition within the Church" because the Church IS traditional by nature, and he knew that. I happened to learn that from an SSPX seminary, which is part of the organization he founded.

    You don't start out assuming the worst and taking drastic action. A prudent man will exhaust all other options first. He will work within the system -- using normal channels -- until that becomes impossible for one reason or another. I think the Archbishop was hoping that the modernists were just a faction -- one that could be held in check by an opposing, traditional Catholic faction. Alas, the modernists were much better organized and soon got the upper hand.

    He was hoping that, although Rome was bent on this new religion, they would pay enough lip service to the old Faith that the unblemished Catholic Faith would be allowed to prosper as well. Alas, he was wrong. They understood as well as he did how diametrically opposed the two systems (Catholic and Modernist) were.

    There are certainly very evil men in the heirarchy, both in 1965 and in 2008. The Church has had evil men in her bosom before, as well as popes in mortal sin, so in a certain respect this crisis is nothing new. But in another aspect, it is unprecedented in its depth and gravity. It is actually a new low -- lower than the Great Schism (2 or even 3 competing popes) and lower than the Arian heresy.

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