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Offline Texana

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Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
« on: June 30, 2024, 10:50:37 AM »
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    • Fr. Jean-Michel Gomis, SSPX Asia, gives the official position of the SSPX regarding Bishop Vigano and Sedevacantists--including the Resistance!

    "Position of the SSPX:  Neither Heretic Nor Schismatic", Sermon by Fr. Gomis ( 30 Jun 2024 )

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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #1 on: June 30, 2024, 11:30:18 AM »
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    • Well certainly Meg will 'Recognize and Resist" the Anti-Christ. 
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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2024, 01:28:34 PM »
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    • Markers for the nitty-gritty:

    1)  What is the right attitude? 
         22:17  Fr. Gomis: "There is another danger--to go too far, too fast, too strongly.  And this danger is the danger of schism."

    2)  24:32  Sedevacantism  (the SSPX definition)

    3)  25:35  Vigano

    4)  25:52  "I'm sorry if it's a bit long.  I have no choice."  (Orders from Menzingen?)

    5)  30:41  "You have this position...this so-called Resistance.  It is a practical sedevacantism...because they refuse to talk to Rome."

    Hope this helps!
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #3 on: June 30, 2024, 01:35:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 30, 2024, 11:30:18 AM
    Well certainly Meg will 'Recognize and Resist" the Anti-Christ.

    :laugh1:
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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2024, 01:36:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on June 30, 2024, 10:50:37 AM
    Fr. Jean-Michel Gomis, SSPX Asia, gives the official position of the SSPX regarding Bishop Vigano and Sedevacantists--including the Resistance!

    "Position of the SSPX:  Neither Heretic Nor Schismatic", Sermon by Fr. Gomis ( 30 Jun 2024 )

    Is this really the "official position" of SSPX?  SSPX have always been slippery about any "official position" as a group.
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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2024, 01:57:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 30, 2024, 01:36:14 PM
    Is this really the "official position" of SSPX?  SSPX have always been slippery about any "official position" as a group.
    Dear Ladislaus,

    I am assuming that the title is correct, "Position of the SSPX...", with the official logo of the FSSPX Asia on the "SSPX District of Asia" YouTube channel.  Fr. Gomis' statement, "I have no choice.", seems to indicate that he has to say what he is reading, but that is my personal impression.
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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #6 on: June 30, 2024, 02:36:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 30, 2024, 11:30:18 AM
    Well certainly Meg will 'Recognize and Resist" the Anti-Christ.

    It depends on whether or not the supposed anti-Christ does what an anti-Christ is supposed to do, according to Sacred Scripture and Tradition. For instance, does the supposed anti-Christ perform miracles, for all to see? Because....that's one of the main criteria of the real anti-Christ. As far as I know Bergolio/Francis has not performed any miracles to date. He may be a little anti-Christ, but he doesn't appear the be THE Anti-Christ. Do you get what I'm saying?

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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #7 on: June 30, 2024, 05:58:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 30, 2024, 02:36:19 PM
    It depends on whether or not the supposed anti-Christ does what an anti-Christ is supposed to do, according to Sacred Scripture and Tradition. For instance, does the supposed anti-Christ perform miracles, for all to see? Because....that's one of the main criteria of the real anti-Christ. As far as I know Bergolio/Francis has not performed any miracles to date. He may be a little anti-Christ, but he doesn't appear the be THE Anti-Christ. Do you get what I'm saying?
    Seriously?  You took the bait.

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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #8 on: June 30, 2024, 06:01:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 30, 2024, 05:58:47 PM
    Seriously?  You took the bait.



    Always happy to oblige! I hope that made your day. ::)
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #9 on: June 30, 2024, 06:12:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 30, 2024, 06:01:03 PM
    Always happy to oblige! I hope that made your day. ::)
    Actually I sincerely hoped you had overcome your compulsion to convert and anathematize your canonical opponents.
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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2024, 06:17:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 30, 2024, 06:12:37 PM
    Actually I sincerely hoped you had overcome your compulsion to convert and anathematize your canonical opponents.

    I never thought of you as a canonical opponent. Um...what does that mean, exactly? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #11 on: July 02, 2024, 07:17:43 AM »
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    • Right now, Mr. Bergolio has publicly rejected Jesus while worshipping Mother Nature.  Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no.  That’s biblical.  He has created confusion and many souls have been lost to the devil.   He very worldly and is always put on a show.  

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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #12 on: July 03, 2024, 07:20:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 02, 2024, 07:17:43 AM
    Right now, Mr. Bergolio has publicly rejected Jesus while worshipping Mother Nature.  Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no.  That’s biblical.  He has created confusion and many souls have been lost to the devil.  He very worldly and is always put on a show. 
    Dear Viva Cristo Rey,

    Let us not forget Fr. Ratzinger's and Bp. Wojtyla's Assisi meetings.
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    Re: Will This Be Your Position When the Antichrist Usurps Peter's Chair?
    « Reply #13 on: July 05, 2024, 08:32:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on June 30, 2024, 10:50:37 AM
    Fr. Jean-Michel Gomis, SSPX Asia, gives the official position of the SSPX regarding Bishop Vigano and Sedevacantists--including the Resistance!

    "Position of the SSPX:  Neither Heretic Nor Schismatic", Sermon by Fr. Gomis ( 30 Jun 2024 )


    Bishop Vigano has now been excommunicated. After 11,458 views of this video since 30 June, 2024, what will the response be?
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