Quote from: Mithrandylan

I have nothing but contempt for your cavalier approach to these issues and the vain and deceitful confidence with which you carry your ignorant opinions, nearly all of which are not only not shared by the theologians, but which usually and typically contradict what they teach.  And you have the temerity to speak of ego?

Do not let my posts be an occasion of sin for you.

There is a red HIDE button you can always use.

You sure waste a lot of time refuting each and every single one of my  "brainless", ignorant, and female posts across internet forums.

Teach by example. Don't you say that this woman should be ignored by all?

Quote from: Mithrandylan

in other words no one should pay attention to you

Then, don't.

“If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.”

LETTER XXII. TO EUSTOCHIUM. [extracts]
30. Many years ago, when for the kingdom of heaven's sake I had cut myself off from home, parents, sister, relations, and--harder still--from the dainty food to which I had been accustomed; and when I was on my way to Jerusalem to wage my warfare, I still could not bring myself to forego the library which I had formed for myself at Rome with great care and toil. And so, miserable man that I was, I would fast only that I might afterwards read Cicero. After many nights spent in vigil, after floods of tears called from my inmost heart, after the recollection of my past sins, I would once more take up Plautus. And when at times I returned to my right mind, and began to read the prophets, their style seemed rude and repellent. I failed to see the light with my blinded eyes; but I attributed the fault not to them, but to the sun. While the old serpent was thus making me his plaything, about the middle of Lent a deep-seated fever fell upon my weakened body, and while it destroyed my rest completely--the story seems hardly credible--it so wasted my unhappy frame that scarcely anything was left of me but skin and bone. Meantime preparations for my funeral went on; my body grew gradually colder, and the warmth of life lingered only in my throbbing breast. Suddenly I was caught up in the spirit and dragged before the judgment seat of the Judge; and here the light was so bright, and those who stood around were so radiant, that I cast myself upon the ground and did not dare to look up. Asked who and what I was I replied: "I am a Christian." But He who presided said: "Thou liest, thou art a follower of Cicero and not of Christ. For 'where thy treasure is, there will thy heart be also.'"(4) Instantly I became dumb, and amid the strokes of the lash--for He had ordered me to be scourged--I was tortured more severely still by the fire of conscience, considering with myself that verse, "In the grave who shall give thee thanks?"(5) Yet for all that I began to cry and to bewail myself, saying: "Have mercy upon me, O Lord: have mercy upon me."

Those who adhere to the Sedevacantist position based on the opinion of the Saints and Doctors of the Church, who held that a manifestly heretical Pope automatically loses his office, have mistakenly concluded that their private judgment on the matter suffices in place of a formal judgment by the Church; and that, based on their private judgment, they are permitted to declare openly that a man elected by the College of Cardinals as Pope is not a true Pope, and furthermore, that they are then permitted to attempt to persuade others to accept their private judgment as a public fact.

This demonstrates the wisdom and prudence of Archbishop Lefebvre, who, while not ruling out the possibility that a future Pope or council might determine that the conciliar popes “had not been Popes”, left the final judgment to the Church, rather than rendering a public judgment he had no authority to make. Reality is that a Pope can be judged by none in this world, but another Pope. Especially given the fact that the Church has never declared that a Pope who falls into manifest heresy loses his office ipso facto, rather than by virtue of a judgment and declaration by the Church.

This is what an Archbishop, prince of the Church did. Now, accepting judgement from an uneducated layman with absolutely not authority, is laughable.  

That is the Traditional Catholic position.

Quote from: Mithrandylan

Quote from: pbax

Mithrandylan, do you think that people like myself who believe that the Pope is definitely Pope, and argue the fact, am I still Catholic or am I a heretic for believing in a false Pope?

Ferdinand more or less answered for me.

I don't believe that you think Francis is definitely the pope.  I think that traditional Catholics, by definition, doubt his (and his predecessors) legitimacy.  

If you wish to insist that you are certain that man is the pope, I still wouldn't believe you since your actions say otherwise.  But supposing the hypothetical instance where a person really and truly believes, with moral certainty, that N is the pope, and simultaneously rejects his liturgy, his priests, his places of worship, his saints, his approved devotions, his calendar-- such a person is, at the very least, in serious error about the nature of the Church and authority.  But I have never met a traditional Catholic where this is the case, and I doubt I ever would.  

Your answer is as would be expected. We have been warned about this mindset that stretches the truth in order to achieve 2+2=5. Even if Our Lord came down from heaven and announced to you the Truth you would find it hard to take Him seriously as His Truth does not equate to that of the “church of Mithrandylan”.

Let me explain myself: Cathinfo was a SSPX/Resistance site that followed the guidance of Archbishop Lefebvre. Archbishop Lefebvre when in this world was not concerned about playing a numbers game. He was not trying to win friends and influence people by forming his own personal views and coercing others to conform. I don’t think any of us can imagine the turmoil he went through to come to terms with modernist Rome, and take the actions he did. He was concerned with the salvation of souls. He sympathised with the reasoning of the sedevacantists but he firmly stated that he could not accept their thinking – hence the various departures of SSPX priests (1983, 1985, 1989) who wanted him to side with them on the sede soapbox. The Archbishop even questioned the validity of some of these sede bishops (like Bishop Thuc) and hence the ordained priests! He said of these priest, that they ended up sometimes as deluded “independent priests” divided among themselves.

Quote from “The biography of Archbishop Lefebvre”: “When he is not using his charism of infallibility, the Pope can err. So, why should we be scandalised and say, “So there is no Pope,” like Arius, who was scandalised by Our Lord being humiliated and saying in His passion, “My God, why have you abandoned me?” Arius reasoned, “Therefore he is not God!””

Cathinfo (probably to its detriment) tolerated sedevacantism, but thanks to the likes of you Cathinfo is now a sede minded site that doesn’t tolerate the SSPX/Resistance standpoint. You even try to tell us that we are sedes at heart by our actions!!

As in the days of the good Archbishop, these sedes have been moving forward in his shadow. They have been accusing him of betrayal and worse, whilst benefiting from his struggles and dealings with Rome. They can also be likened to leeches that seek an unsuspecting victim and suck his blood for their survival. The sede seeks his blood (Tradition) through the SSPX/Resistance victim. Till we realise this the sedes will continue to keep sucking the life blood out of all of us, yes including Cathinfo.

If you, Ferdinand and others keep sucking the blood out of Cathinfo SSPX/Resistance you will destroy all that is good, and in the end you will have nothing. You will then need to seek another victim but that victim will not be me. May those who are of good heart cling to the profoundly holy example of the Archbishop!

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: Ferdinand

Matthew,

If this were my venue, I would in conscience dump the Feenyite trolls.  Their mauvais esprit could prove infectious to the neophite.

-Ferdinand

You are correct, unlike those of us who debate how to respond to this crisis, but hold whole and entire the Catholic Faith, the Feeneyites deny points of doctrine, and as heretics have no place at the table with Catholics.

When the Church reforms, and there is authority once again, they will have two choices, recant or be excommunicated and live their lives out and eventually die outside the Church.

Obstinate Feeneyite heretics will not be part of the coming triumph of the Church, they will stand next to Luther, Calvin, Tyrol, Simons and so many others in revolt to Catholic teaching.  

ATTENTION!...........This has been an official announcement from the Congregation for the Doctrine of Hogwash.