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Offline CM

Will Orthodox convert by 2054?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2009, 05:00:53 AM »
I before E except after C the D.

Quote from: TheD
I swear, on GOD, The Virgin Mary, all of Heaven, the Blood of Christ and the blood of the saints, and all that is holy, that the following answer is true


Your oath doesn't guarantee the veracity of your words; you believe you are right, nothing more.  But you believe all kinds of contradictions.

Kamayalka, you are asking some good questions!

1) There are two kinds of judgment:  Juridical, which is a legal declaration from authority, and Epistemological, which is what we can know and how we can know it.  No layperson has the right to proclaim that he has made a legal declaration, because he does not have authority.  However, by discerning contradictions against the Holy Faith, we may certainly proclaim what we KNOW, which is the the doctrines coming out of the Vatican are contrary to what the Catholic Church has taught, and hence cannot not be teachings from the Catholic Church.

2), because Benedict XVI is a heretic and no pope.

3), If he's not Catholic, he's going to hell.  Even if he calls himself Catholic but adheres to a false sect/professes a false religion, he's going to hell.  This is the judgment we are admonished to make by Pius IX on many different occasions (cf. Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadem, Graves Ac Diuturnae).

4), No.  You are profess a false religion which teaches blasphemy about the office of the papacy, that it can be validly and licitly held by a heretic.

5) No sacrament of baptism=no salvation.  Why else would it be designed by God to be so easily administered (in water, one of the most common substances on earth, and even heretics and pagans can baptize validly).

However, it is nothing more than idle speculation to propose that the Good Thief, St. Dismas was unbaptized or that he was uncircuмcised, and aside from that, the Law of Baptism was not promulgated until after Christ's passion and resurrection.

6) In His goodness, God brought Cornelius into the Catholic Faith so that he could be saved.  This is the principle of prevenient grace (cf. Trent Session 6, Chapter 5) for those who live according to the Natural Law but are not yet aware of the true Faith.

7) Prayers and sacrifices mean nothing in the order of justice, that is to say they cannot MERIT anything from God, least of all eternal rewards, as the truth declares (cf. Council of Florence, Cantate Domino).  In other words God has not oathed himself to pagans, heretics, etc. but hasmade an oath to Catholics that "...whatsoever you shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do: that the Father may be glorified in the Son."

However, this does not mean that God in His mercy, however, will not occasionally grace a soul with such powerful prevenient grace that it is drawn into the one true Faith where it may begin to merit salvation.

Read St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa, First part of the Second part, Question 114 on Merit.

8) Yes.  A pope can become a heretic.  But if you think he retains his office, that the force of Divine Law still binds Catholics to such a man's decrees and teachings, then you blaspheme the promise of Christ.  How can you possibly say that the gates of hell have not prevailed over the Church if a heretic is the head of it?  Absurd.

9) Obviously (to any good willed soul, anyway) the true Church is not one that recognizes as it's head one who has systematically and unapologetically dismantled the Faith by heresy.

10) Vernacular is a red herring.  Church disciplines may change, so long as the proposed changes come from valid Church authority and they do not damage the deposit of Faith.  Hence the focus should be the heretical doctrines coming out of the Vatican.

11) Rome and Vatican 2 must not be believed.  Rome (the Roman Pontiff) was to be believed up until "Popes" began publicly uttering statements that are objectively heretical.

12) The Catholic Church has not approved NFP, only the counterfeit Church under the 20th century antipopes.

13) Where did the break from Apostolic Succession begin?  AD 1914.

Offline CM

Will Orthodox convert by 2054?
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2009, 07:05:56 AM »
Quote from: kamalayka
(Before your answers type the following oath so that I know that you are telling the truth: I swear, on GOD, The Virgin Mary, all of Heaven, the Blood of Christ and the blood of the saints, and all that is holy, that the following answer is true:)


Also, Kamayalka, if it truly makes you feel more confident in someone's opinion to have them swear to it, know that I have placed my hand on a Bible and abjured under oath before two witnesses and professed my faith in all that I have written above, and I have retained a copy of the docuмent, signed by myself and both witnesses, for the sake of keeping a record.

So you go ahead and fact check, knowing that I would rather die than renounce my Catholic Faith by accepting Vatican II.


Will Orthodox convert by 2054?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2009, 07:34:29 AM »
Quote from: kamalayka
I don't mean this to step on toes. It's not about ego or pride at all.
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Give me a quote teaching from V2 you think contradicts earlier councils, and I will prove it wrong, God willing.



First, sorry that I missed other psots where you discussed your Church direction (ie, RCC)...my apologies, thought you might still be fence riding...

Further, whole, huge, thick books written on the topicof what is wrong with V2, I have heard it for past 30 yrs...

a few free books for you to examine:

http://www.sspx.org/apologetic_materials.htm

to start with, study the "subsists" issue....is the Church the Body of Christ, or as the word subsists suggestion, the body of beleivers merely reside in the RC, which a Protestant like beleif, that of "true beleivers reside in teh mystical church, no matter what denomination they worship at" which is mainly all throught Prot world, starting with anabaptists and Arminians...

Will Orthodox convert by 2054?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2009, 07:36:54 AM »
Quote from: TheD
Good job Rauol, with your help all the forum members might just embrace V2.  :barf:


True, he is a broken record and his posts are waaaay off topic....Kam was discussing Orthodox, reunion and V2, not NFP and the ever obsession of Raoul with NFP/Pius XII...

lets all stick to those issues, shall we..perhaps, like GV "Ode" thread, Raoul can start a multipage thread on NFP/Pius XII.matter of fact, I will right now kick off that thread, lets try to keep the discussions of NFP/Pius XII to it!!

Will Orthodox convert by 2054?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2009, 07:40:57 AM »
Quote from: Catholic M
Quote from: kamalayka
(Before your answers type the following oath so that I know that you are telling the truth: I swear, on GOD, The Virgin Mary, all of Heaven, the Blood of Christ and the blood of the saints, and all that is holy, that the following answer is true:)


Also, Kamayalka, if it truly makes you feel more confident in someone's opinion to have them swear to it, know that I have placed my hand on a Bible and abjured under oath before two witnesses and professed my faith in all that I have written above, and I have retained a copy of the docuмent, signed by myself and both witnesses, for the sake of keeping a record.

So you go ahead and fact check, knowing that I would rather die than renounce my Catholic Faith by accepting Vatican II.


taking oaths, signing papers,etc is some Pharisitical sounding garbage...unless you are confirmed, receive the Body/Blood,sacrements,etc.one can not but too confident you are Catholic, beliefs are nice and all, oaths are cheery, but you have not been fully incorporated into the Church, yet make excsues that there are no Bishops/priests to do so, an easy excuse nad out for ya....

but as I just noted, you and Raoul have derailed this thread by your Sede/NFP/Pius XII broken and never ending record   :sign-thread-hijacked: :sign-thread-hijacked: :sign-thread-hijacked: