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Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2021, 11:07:49 PM »
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  • Well, my diocese has already closed down and sold off two mission chapels, leaving only one church open, and that at stringent restrictions.  For those unable to travel long distances, or perhaps do not have a reliable vehicle, it means no more Mass or Sacraments, especially since the diocese has restricted distances and places the priests will visit, opting first, to send a “Eucharistic minister,” next to useless if one needs confession, extreme unction, confirmation, etc.  I know of three cases now, where parents and close by friends have gathered (“illegally”) to baptize their own babies, and one instance of a wedding minus a priest.  The couple give the Sacrament to one another before two witnesses.  
    I’m sad when I think of all the children who will grow up without any faith and even if having home religion, will not be able to make their first communion or get confirmed.  


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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #2 on: January 13, 2021, 02:04:05 AM »
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  • Not to the mess of Paul VI

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2021, 02:35:29 AM »
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  • I attend Mass via the Internet. However, there will never be a such a thing as receiving the Sacraments via the Internet.
    The novus ordo church near where I live has been locked down since March. They are not Catholic anyway. The
    distribution of communion looks more like a communion party where the communicants share in their hands the
    communion wafers and pass around the cup. As a Senior I remember the old days in the church and the practices of
    the new church are absolutely disgusting.
    The sad thing is so many dying without the last sacraments. Even in the good times before CÖVÌD it was difficult to get
    a priest anyway.

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #4 on: January 13, 2021, 04:17:00 AM »
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  • The pedophile communists were closing down the Churches long before communist created CÖVÌD.  So many Churches and Christians attacked with permission of pervert pope. 
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #5 on: January 13, 2021, 07:48:53 AM »
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  • The sad thing is so many dying without the last sacraments. 
    The Novus Ordo church eliminated the sacrament of Extreme Unction in 1968, not a one Novus Ordo parishioner has received  Extreme Unction in 50+ years.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #6 on: January 13, 2021, 10:37:50 AM »
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  • I know of three cases now, where parents and close by friends have gathered (“illegally”) to baptize their own babies, and one instance of a wedding minus a priest.  The couple give the Sacrament to one another before two witnesses.  

    I’m sad when I think of all the children who will grow up without any faith and even if having home religion, will not be able to make their first communion or get confirmed.  
    If I had a child (or any other loved one) who needed to be baptized, and could not get a priest for whatever reason, I'd do it and not give it a moment's hesitation.  Take a video, execute a notarized statement, then, when things return to normalcy, submit this as evidence of valid baptism.

    As far as weddings, yes, I know canon law allows for it, but still, nobody ever has to get sacramentally married at any specific time.  (If so, please someone explain when and why.)   The affianced couple could always just consider that it is the Divine Will for them not to be able to receive the sacrament at this time, and remain chaste and affianced.   People who desire a spouse, and cannot find one, go many years, possibly even a lifetime, without being able to get married.  What makes affianced couples so special, then, that they have to get married "right here, right now"?  (This is assuming no impediments and being otherwise free to marry.)  The only thing I can think of, is if a couple had to get married to ensure some civil or temporal goods, such as insurance, next-of-kin rights, taxation, inheritance, or in the face of an imminent military deployment, but even then, you would need a civil magistrate or official of some sort.  In some states, even a notary public can do that.  (Note well that I am not asserting this would be a valid sacramental marriage, nor would it confer any marital rights.  This should be clear, but if not, it's worth bringing up.)

    Baptism is necessary for salvation, but matrimony isn't.

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #7 on: January 13, 2021, 03:09:09 PM »
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  • Baptism is necessary for salvation, but matrimony isn't.
    No marriage, no sex, no babies to be baptized.  Unless you have special insight into the timetable of present insanity, counseling people to hold off indefinitely is arguably unwise.  Holy Church "allows" it for a reason -- and the Sacrament can be validly and lawfully confected, priest or no priest, for a reason.  Your opinion, with all due respect, has no place.  Godspeed.
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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #8 on: January 13, 2021, 03:20:04 PM »
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  • If I had a child (or any other loved one) who needed to be baptized, and could not get a priest for whatever reason, I'd do it and not give it a moment's hesitation.  Take a video, execute a notarized statement, then, when things return to normalcy, submit this as evidence of valid baptism.

    As far as weddings, yes, I know canon law allows for it, but still, nobody ever has to get sacramentally married at any specific time.  (If so, please someone explain when and why.)   The affianced couple could always just consider that it is the Divine Will for them not to be able to receive the sacrament at this time, and remain chaste and affianced.   People who desire a spouse, and cannot find one, go many years, possibly even a lifetime, without being able to get married.  What makes affianced couples so special, then, that they have to get married "right here, right now"?  (This is assuming no impediments and being otherwise free to marry.)  The only thing I can think of, is if a couple had to get married to ensure some civil or temporal goods, such as insurance, next-of-kin rights, taxation, inheritance, or in the face of an imminent military deployment, but even then, you would need a civil magistrate or official of some sort.  In some states, even a notary public can do that.  (Note well that I am not asserting this would be a valid sacramental marriage, nor would it confer any marital rights.  This should be clear, but if not, it's worth bringing up.)

    Baptism is necessary for salvation, but matrimony isn't.
    I wonder about those Catholics in Japan who were without priests/sacraments for 100's of years.  ?

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #9 on: January 13, 2021, 03:26:34 PM »
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  • I wonder about those Catholics in Japan who were without priests/sacraments for 100's of years.  ?

    They lacked the "prudence" of modern Traddies...lol... :laugh2:

    Of course I am joking, as they simply believed and trusted and practiced their faith as it is arranged/prescribed by God Himself.
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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 03:50:56 PM »
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  • I wonder about those Catholics in Japan who were without priests/sacraments for 100's of years.  ?
    Look at what 100s of years without priests/sacraments did to Japan, they've been worshiping Buddha ever since - no? I don't know, I am asking because it seems like everyone thinks they've kept the faith after 100s of years without priests/sacraments.
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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 03:59:32 PM »
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  • 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 04:41:40 PM »
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  • I believe (could be wrong) couples may marry without a priest if none can be had for over two months, to prevent concupisence, or if extenuating conditions exist, exactly like financial, legal, care of children, basic needs like food, clothing, shelter.  In the case I heard about, the couple had purchased a house after being engaged for three years.  They had both not signed a lease for the next calendar year, in the belief that they had a priest.  At the last week, their county was locked down, making it impossible for the priest to come, they both had to be out of their rentals, and to complicate even more, the man has full custody of his special needs son with a woman to whom he was never married from his pre-conversion days.  These were older people, in their late 40s, who had nowhere to go, iow, the man and son, at least, would be homeless.  Rather than risking moving in together they did their own marriage.  

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #13 on: January 13, 2021, 05:13:42 PM »
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  • Look at what 100s of years without priests/sacraments did to Japan, they've been worshiping Buddha ever since - no? I don't know, I am asking because it seems like everyone thinks they've kept the faith after 100s of years without priests/sacraments.
    Close to 60% doesn't even believe in God. They will go to Shinto shrines on major holidays like New Year's, but do not functionally belong to a religion like people do in the West.
    Get off the internet and say your rosary!

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    Re: Will Catholics Ever Return to Mass?
    « Reply #14 on: January 13, 2021, 05:32:56 PM »
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  • Marriage is essential for some. St. Paul teaches better to marry then to burn. Some will burn without marriage because of concupiscence.
    The Japanese had marriage without priests during those years. They had valid matrimony and valid baptism. And they had the rosary.
    There are many faithful Catholics in Japan. Japan never became a Catholic Country. Catholics were always a small minority. There is tradition there and even a Japanese priest in the SSPX.


     

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