Does anybody think Assisi III will have the potential to be a spirituo/psychological breaking point for NO trads?

I am wondering if we can expect to see an influx from the NO sect after Assisi III???

Speculation?

A Novus Ordo Trad is a particular Catholic Who is Communion with the Novus Ordo Church. This kind of trad is ONLY a trad out of sentimentalism: THey PREFER the rites of the past, it just SEEMS more holy. THey LIKE the prayers of old.

In other words, they do not see the fact that the Novus Ordo is completely compromised and fully rejects tradition.

They have NO THEOLOGICAL BASIS for their preference. They may THINK the Latin Mass is "Better" but they still will attend a Paul VI Mess when it's inconvenient to attend a Tridentine mass.

In other words, they are in communion with those who HATE and DISPARAGE the Tradition of the Church, and they think this is acceptable, and "well and enough."

It does not enter into their mind that the Mass of St. Pius V is THEOLOGICALLY superior, and orthodox, and the Mess of Paul VI is Theologically Heterodox, and OBJECTIVELY inferior to the Tridentine Mass.

They see the current hierarchies actions as fully legitimate, and do not question the fact that the rites of EVERY SINGLE SACRAMENT, ESPECIALLY the rite of Holy Orders, has been butchered.

For this reason, they do not reject the Vatican II reforms, but indeed , they tolerate them, and CHOOSE to be in COMMUNION with a hierarchy that is ACTIVELY PROMOTING theological concepts that DESTROY the basis of the rites that they hold out of "Nostalgia."

In fact, NOSTALGIA is the only real BASIS which the Vatican II Sect can give for ALLOWING Tridentine masses to be said at all. They will never admit that they have screwed it up. BUt, they want to keep as many people in their sect as possible: SO they lure people in with FALSE traditionalism, which is based, like I said, on sentimentality.

THAT cannot continue. Traditionalists are waking up. Sooner or later, a traditionalist will have to realize that he is actually a sedevacantist Catholic.

When that happens, after grieving, perhaps we will find a way to Cohere and to march on the Vatican and set things right.

I think Assisi III will be a breaking point for several people.

I don't think it is going to make much difference.

I predict, based on his own criticism of the first two Assisis, Benedict is going to tone this one down in comparison to the JPII events. He'll say more Catholic things than the other two and will not actively patricipate in non-Catholic rites. However, the whole thing will still be a scandal and debocle to all right minded Catholics.

If nothing happened after the first two, I don't see any mass exodus after the third. The Catholic populous has been dumbed down to the point where they honestly don't see a darn thing wrong with Assisi and, in fact, most are in favor of it. After all, they say, who can not be in favor of praying together for peace? It will come and go, and besides the Trad media railing on it, the Neo-Caths will spin it as a positive, and it will pass by unnoticed by most oblivious Catholics.

I predict, based on his own criticism of the first two Assisis, Benedict is going to tone this one down in comparison to the JPII events. He'll say more Catholic things than the other two and will not actively patricipate in non-Catholic rites.

What a naive statement.

My prediction is this. As Stevus said Benny will tone things down say more Catholic things maybe even use some incense, and rather than thinking its bad the "in union trads" and Conservative NO'ers will say "oh Pope Benedict has made things so much better". And continue on their road of Apostasy.

My prediction is this. As Stevus said Benny will tone things down say more Catholic things maybe even use some incense, and rather than thinking its bad the "in union trads" and Conservative NO'ers will say "oh Pope Benedict has made things so much better". And continue on their road of Apostasy.

Good point! I wouldn't be surprised.

Also, pick up a copy of "Work of human hands: A critique of the mass of Paul VI" by Fr. Anthony Cekada. It is very good.

Got it already.  It's excellent!

I've done a lot of research over the last few weeks, including on the Thuc issue.

For me, this is coming down to reason (in the light of faith and the teaching of the Church until October 9, 1958).

SS,

Your response demonstrates you have little to no familiarity with Ratzinger's view of the previous Assisi's and his criticism and non attendance at the first. He agrees with Assisi in principle, but thinks they went too far previously. Thus it is not naive to expect him to offer a toned down version, though still scandalous.

If he's against Assisi I and II as much as you speak, then why is he doing an Assisi III? Contrary to what is being said throughout the Catholic world, Benedict is not Traditional. Closer to Tradition than JPII, yes, but not Traditional. The media portrayed JPII as Traditional, they always do that to try and get the approval of Trads (and because their definition of Traditional is not correct). Benedict praying in mosques certainly doesn't show that he is against participating in non-Catholic worship.

Now, I do agree that Benedict's version will not be as "in your face" as JPII's was, but expecting Benedict to make it "more Catholic" is what I found to be rather naive. Either it's Catholic or it's not.