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Offline MyrnaM

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WikiLeaks and the Vatican
« on: December 12, 2010, 11:22:51 PM »
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  • WikiLeaks bares even tiny Vatican's diplomatic soul
               

    – Sat Dec 11, 6:34 am ET
    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – The Vatican may be the world's smallest state but even its diplomatic soul has been laid bare by WikiLeaks cables covering everything from sex abuse and media blunders to old "technophobic" cardinals.

    Cables sent from the U.S. embassy to the Vatican to the State Department depict Pope Benedict as sometimes isolated as aides try to protect him from bad news, and say his number two is seen as a "yes man" with little credibility among diplomats.

    The cables were published by the Guardian newspaper, one of several news organizations with have been given access to the leaked cables from U.S. embassies around the world.

    A long cable in February 2009, though couched in diplomatic language, reads like a scathing criticism of the Vatican's internal and external communications structures, which are held responsible for some of Pope Benedict's biggest public mishaps.

    "The Holy See's communications operation is suffering from 'muddled messaging' partly as a result of cardinals' technophobia and ignorance about 21st century communications. Only one senior papal advisor has a Blackberry and few have e-mail accounts. It has led to PR blunders on issues as sensitive as the h0Ɩ0cαųst," a U.S. diplomat writes.

    The cable calls the pope's inner circle of advisers old "Italo-centric" men uncomfortable with information technology and the "rough and tumble of media communications."

    The pope's right-hand man, Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, is depicted as a "yes man" with no diplomatic experience or linguistic skills and the cable suggests that the pope is protected from bad news.

    "There is also the question of who, if anyone, brings dissenting views to the pope's attention," it says.

    Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi (the one official praised for knowing how to use a Blackberry), said on Saturday that the cables reflected the perceptions of the authors and were "not expressions of the Holy See itself."

    While some of the information was known to journalists, seeing it published in official U.S. cables will not please Vatican officials, some of whom are named.

    LITANY OF MEDIA MISHAPS

    The cable said the Vatican's "lack of information sharing" between its offices could be blamed for the bad handling of the pope's 2006 Regensburg speech, which Muslims saw as equating Islam with violence, and the re-instating of a h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying bishop.

    Jєωs and many others were outraged in 2009 when the pope lifted the excommunication of traditionalist Bishop Richard Williamson. The Vatican claimed it did not know that he had denied the full extent of the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    Even the Vatican department that oversees relations with Jєωs found out from the media of the pope's intentions. The pope later acknowledged in a book a that "none of us went on the Internet to find out what sort of person we were dealing with."

    A cable dated February 26, 2010 shows the Vatican balked at cooperating with investigators over sɛҳuąƖ abuse by clergy in Ireland. It said the Vatican had been offended and angered by requests from Irish investigators who wanted to talk to them.

    The Murphy Commission Report, published in 2009, said the Church in Ireland had obsessively hidden child abuse in the Dublin archdiocese from 1975 to 2004, and had been more concerned with protecting the Church's reputation than children.

    The commission had asked to talk to the papal ambassador to Ireland and members of the Vatican department that oversees sɛҳuąƖ abuse cases but was spurned.

    One cable quoted a Vatican official as saying the request had "offended many in the Vatican" and the cable's author writes "The Vatican believes the Irish government failed to respect and protect Vatican sovereignty during the investigations."

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    « Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 06:20:35 AM »
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  • http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security

    Pope Benedict refused to allow Vatican officials to testify in an investigation by an Irish commission into alleged child sex abuse by priests, according to U.S. diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, The Guardian newspaper reported.

    Benedict was also reportedly furious when Vatican officials were called upon in Rome, The Guardian reported Saturday.

    The Murphy Commission of Inquiry into sɛҳuąƖ and physical abuse "offended many in the Vatican," according to a cable dated February 26, 2010.

    "The Vatican believes the Irish government failed to respect and protect Vatican sovereignty during the investigations," it said.

       

    On Saturday, the Vatican press office declined to comment on the content of the cables but decried the leaks as a matter of "extreme gravity."

    The U.S. ambassador to the Holy See also condemned the leaks and said the Vatican and America cooperate in promoting universal values.
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    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 01:28:06 PM »
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  • interesting, though supports some of what I suspected-namely there are those around Pope that isolate him for one reason or another-not saying he is innocent nor blameless at all, but interesting...
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    « Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 01:42:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    -not saying he is innocent nor blameless at all, but interesting...


    Yes, there is so much we simply do not know, cannot possibly know.  Very interesting.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 02:35:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    interesting, though supports some of what I suspected-namely there are those around Pope that isolate him for one reason or another-not saying he is innocent nor blameless at all, but interesting...


    The Pope is an old man and might not even know how to use a computer.

    Many leaders are in that position - it doesn't make them innocent.

    It is being said about Obama that he has been "isolated" by his wife and others.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 03:44:34 PM »
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  • I have nothing against wiki-leaks. I blame the gov't for those leaks against the USA. The gov't needs to do a better job at keeping its secrets secret. As for the Vatican leaks, ,..well, the Vatican shouldn't be keeping anything secret,..i.e. "the 3rd Secret of Fatima"

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    « Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 07:42:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    interesting, though supports some of what I suspected-namely there are those around Pope that isolate him for one reason or another-not saying he is innocent nor blameless at all, but interesting...


    Yes it is interesting.

    But before Ratz was elected putative pope, for many years he showed his true colors. We do not need to guess; it is clear he is a Modernist, not a traditionalist who is kept in the dark.

    Plus although word of some things may not reach him, he gets his words out, and they demonstrate that he is a revolutionary Modernist who gives out mixed signals thus confusing some of the faithful.