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Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
« on: October 16, 2018, 08:10:06 PM »
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  • There was the original Paul VI - then there was a later "imposter" Paul VI.

    The pictures of them both when compared, do indeed seem to show a difference (unless the original underwent some cosmetic surgery!).

    But why were there two - what was the purpose?  Was the "first" Pope Paul killed, or abducted and kept quiet - and why so? Any facts or theories on this?  
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2018, 10:49:37 PM »
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  • A lot of diplomats have body doubles.  I know Putin has one.  I’ve heard Hitler had a 4 or 5 and Saddam Hussein has multiple too.  Of course, Hillary has one.  Sometimes it’s for protection, or to send a double to a parade or something time-consuming yet only important for “popularity”.    

    But who would want to kill Paul VI when he was friends with all the bad guys?  I don’t know.  Maybe the double was for attending religious stuff while the real one was busy hanging out with homos at the Freemason lodges.  


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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2018, 11:02:03 PM »
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  • A lot of diplomats have body doubles.  I know Putin has one.  I’ve heard Hitler had a 4 or 5 and Saddam Hussein has multiple too.  Of course, Hillary has one.  Sometimes it’s for protection, or to send a double to a parade or something time-consuming yet only important for “popularity”.    

    But who would want to kill Paul VI when he was friends with all the bad guys?  I don’t know.  Maybe the double was for attending religious stuff while the real one was busy hanging out with homos at the Freemason lodges.  

    What about if it was the *double* who promulgated Vatican II, instead of the real Paul VI?  :furtive:
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 01:17:56 AM »
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  • What about if it was the *double* who promulgated Vatican II, instead of the real Paul VI?  :furtive:
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    You're talking about the "Hill of Hope" apparitions now, where they believe Our Lady came to tell them the imposter Paul VI was the bad guy. 
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    Because a real pope could never do all those terrible things.
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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2018, 05:11:16 PM »
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  • Where are these pictures?


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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 06:30:38 PM »
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  • Scroll down for the pics. (By the way, Broken Cross, referred to, is an excellent book on Vatican II, very like Undermining of the Catholic Church.)

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread576777/pg1
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 06:54:46 PM »
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  •  Mrs Martinez & Mr Compton have chosen to libel Cardinal Rampolla. This is most unfortunate as it tends to discredit there other research. :confused:
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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #7 on: October 17, 2018, 06:58:29 PM »
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  • Please, Roscoe, here we go again.  Don't muddy up the waters with your defense of the Freemason Rampolla.  Can we stay on topic?
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #8 on: October 17, 2018, 07:13:17 PM »
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  • Pope Paul VI was known to be a very inconsistent pope throughout his pontificate. Some think he conveyed the impression of doubt, equivocation and a pathetic weakness that caused him to contradict himself several times throughout his pontificate.

    On 14 September, 1972, he came down heavily against the suggestion that women might play some part in the ministry of the priesthood. Then, on 29 March, 1973, the Associated Press reported: ‘Pope Paul ruled today that women, regardless of whether they are nuns, may distribute Communion in Roman Catholic churches.’  

    In May 1969, He condemned a new departure that had crept in whereby Communion was received in the hand. Yet later he took that stricture back, with the meaningless proviso that Communion bread could be so received ‘after proper instruction.’


    Stories emanating from Rome of sacrilege and abuses committed in church, with the approval of the Pope, became so startling, that groups of people decided to take action. The Marian Press in Georgetown, Ontario, Canada, employed the Pinkerton Detective Agency to investigate the issue. 


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     One of the agency’s detectives was sent, in 1973, to Rome, and he returned with a story that dwarfed all other speculations, however sensational.
     
     He had determined that there were two Popes living in the Vatican, Paul VI and an impostor who had been made to resemble Montini with the aid of plastic surgery. Several such operations were necessary, and when colour photographs of the false Pope were sent to interested circles in Munich, where the imposture is still receiving concentrated study, there were certain noticeable differences in the two sets of features that could not be overcome.
     
     To point out the differences: Montini had clear blue eyes, large, and being long-sighted he only required glasses for near viewing. The impostor had green eyes, small, and he wore glasses with thick lenses on all occasions.
     
     Montini’s photographs reveal a small mole, or birth-mark, between the left eye and the left ear. This does not appear in photographs of the impostor, whose left eyebrow was nearer to the eye than was Montini’s.
     
     The differences between the nose and the ears of the two men are held to be decisive. Montini’s nose was Roman, and protruded somewhat over his mouth. The impostor’s nose, part straight and part hooked, was short, and those who subjected the photographs to professional examination claim to have detected the insertion of a plastic strip in the nose to make it appear more straight.
     
     But it is differences in the shape and formation of the ears that present the greatest difficulty to those who doubt the existence of an impostor. Such differences are unique, individual, and they are treated the same as finger-prints in courts of law. Any comparison of the lobes and build of the ears, as revealed by photographs, becomes not a little impressive.
     
     But the interested circles did not stop there. They turned their attention upon the voice, and called in the help of the Type B-65 Kay Elemetrics of Pine Brook, New Jersey, and the Ball Telephone Company. Their object was to analyze the voice (or voices, if there were indeed two popes) when they pronounced the traditional Easter Sunday and Christmas Day blessing, with the words Indulgentium Peccatorum, spoken from the Vatican in 1975.
     
     On both occasions the message was broadcast over Rome, and many people taped it; and it appeared, according to sonograms that were made – and sonograms are more sensitive than the ear – that the man who had spoken at Easter, and again at Christmas, had not been one and the same. There had been two different speakers.
     
     Read more: The Broken Cross part 11

    The FBI also did a voice analysis and determined that there were two different speakers.


    Compare photos of Paul VI and the alleged imposter:

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     Left, above - Pope Paul VI: Long nose, reaching to the end of the ear lobe.
     Right, above - the impostor pope: Nose much shorter in comparison to ear.
     

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     Note the prominent birthmark between the eye and ear of the true Pope (on the left, 1973 photo) and conspicuously absent on the impostor (right, 1977 photo). Notice the visible difference in the nose. Pope Paul has a longer, straighter, more pointed nose. The impostor has a shorter and rounder nose.
     
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     Left - Pope Paul VI: Notice complete difference of ear structure with that of the impostor. Due to the tiny bone structure the ear is the hardest thing to change in plastic surgery—this becomes obvious in the two pictures.
     Right - the impostor pope: Notice not only the difference of the ear, but also the shorter nose.
     
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     Left - Pope Paul VI: Long straight nose—almost to the end of ear lobe. Ear is full and round.
     Right - the impostor pope: Nose is shorter and rounder—reaching only 3/4 length of ear. Ear is longer and not as wide.
     (Note: Some have conjectured that this "actor of great talent" was the stage actor Parr.)
     
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    So what happened to the real Paul VI? 



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     So could this point to the fact that the genuine Paul VI was held captive in the Vatican, or that he was kidnapped, perhaps murdered? A layman in search of more concrete evidence went to Brescia, where some of Montini’s relations were living. There a niece informed him that they were perfectly well aware of the imposture, but that all their efforts to make it known had been stifled.
     
     The investigator, who was obviously untried and filled with a crusading zeal to bring things into the open, soon landed in trouble. He was jailed for four years, and afterwards deported from Italy. All efforts to trace his whereabouts since then have failed.
     
     
     Subsequent statements alleging that there was a false Pope Paul VI, go on to say that he was an actor whose initials are P.A.R., and that it was he who died at Castelgandolfo on 6 August, 1978. A German Bishop, who claims to have proof that Montini was last known to be living not in the Vatican but in the outskirts of Rome, hopes to make this public in a forthcoming book.
     
     The Broken Cross part 11
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #9 on: October 17, 2018, 07:48:16 PM »
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  • Please, Roscoe, here we go again.  Don't muddy up the waters with your defense of the Freemason Rampolla.  Can we stay on topic?
    You are full of Shinola. BTW-- if your screen name is intended to conjure up Card Merry Del Val, you should take note that he was consecrated Bishop by Rampolla. :cheers:
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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #10 on: October 17, 2018, 08:09:58 PM »
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  • Roscoe, people wonder why you are so enamored of the Freemason Rampolla - but go to another thread should you decide to explain it.  You are derailing this one.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #11 on: October 17, 2018, 08:22:32 PM »
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  • And BTW II-- Mrs Martinez is full of it as well... :sleep:
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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #12 on: October 17, 2018, 09:16:23 PM »
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  • .
     Subsequent statements alleging that there was a false Pope Paul VI, go on to say that he was an actor whose initials are P.A.R., and that it was he who died at Castelgandolfo on 6 August, 1978. A German Bishop, who claims to have proof that Montini was last known to be living not in the Vatican but in the outskirts of Rome, hopes to make this public in a forthcoming book. 
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    Why does he want to wait for after the so-called canonization before he publishes his book?
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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #13 on: October 17, 2018, 10:38:48 PM »
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  • It doesn't matter if there were 2 Pope Pauls.

    The first Pope Paul VI was still a heretic and there's evidence he was a homosexual as well.

    Ergo, we would be in no better position today whether Montini was killed off and replaced or whether he survived.

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    Re: Why were there 2 "Pope Paul VI"?
    « Reply #14 on: October 17, 2018, 10:43:00 PM »
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  • Neil O, I did a search on the subject of the "two Pauls" and found this compilation having photos.  It was from a website called  http://www.abovetopsecret.com/about_abovetopsecret.php .  Never had heard of it, but it did provide the comparison pictures, as well as that background info/speculation.   
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


     

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