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Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
« on: February 12, 2009, 11:25:52 AM »
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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 11:35:43 AM »
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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 12:15:38 PM »
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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 05:05:31 PM »
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  • We must accept what the ADL says the "truth" of the h0Ɩ0cαųst is, why they are our "elder brothers". This statement is backed up by Fellay and Ratzinger. And this statement is evil. So, when will "hangers on" stop following Ratzinger's false Church? When (and it is happening now) the h0Ɩ0cαųst is made a dogma that must be accepted by all? As opposed to the Dogma of the Resurrection called into doubt by "Cardinal Kasper" and the Immaculate Conception denied by that recently rewarded "Catholic" Hans Kung. Those can be openly denied and Ratzinger just smiles that sly smile of his and remains silent.
    Fellay betrayed the Church by accepting the false teachings of what they refer to as Vatican II.
    Bishop Williamson said it was not a sin and even understandable to think that we are in a period of Sede-Vacante.
    I pray that all will jump off  Ratzinger's ship before he leads it full throttle into the One World Religion of the anti-Christ.

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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 03:44:42 PM »
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  • "Bah, bah, sleepin sheep, have you any eyes...yessir, yessir, but I'm blind..."
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 09:12:46 PM »
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  • I think the difference between sedevacantists and the SSPXers is the line of where the Church no longer is the Church.  When I think of the Novus Ordo I think that people who save their souls in that religion do so in spite of it - so how can one continue to even allow for the possibility that it is the same religion?  Bishop Williamson can say that we are all black and white but in truth I think one should call a spade a spade instead of pussyfooting or prevaricating around the issue.  The leaders of the SSPX and its priests have no problem saying outright that it is a heretical religion, AND YET they still attach themselves to it - to what purpose?  It creates a religious dichotomy.

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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #6 on: April 01, 2009, 08:24:06 AM »
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    It creates a religious dichotomy.


    The word you are looking for is "schizophrenia" - as it involves a Church that does not have a single, unified identity.  The ramifications of such a state of affairs are ENORMOUS.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 09:07:37 AM »
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  • According to Roman Catholic doctrine, the Church is a visible identifiable body that is literally Catholic, in the sense of universal. This is incompatible with the sedevacantist claim that the true nature of the Catholic Church has been hidden from the world for half a century.


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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #8 on: April 01, 2009, 11:07:20 AM »
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    This is incompatible with the sedevacantist claim that the true nature of the Catholic Church has been hidden from the world for half a century.


    No one claims what you have written.

    How "universal", in the modern misunderstanding of that concept, did the Church seem in 40 AD?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #9 on: May 12, 2009, 09:59:53 PM »
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  • This writing of the SSPX is all nonsense, designed to make themselves seem like the reasonable and moderate ones, and to once again paint sedevacantists as ultra-conservative fanatics -- no, the ultra-conservative fanatics are the Feeneyites!

    The notion that we cannot accept "mixed-up human beings" "under the moon" is wrong.  Out of the 30 or 40 sedes that I have met, there are many, many disagreements.  Not all of them understand the conspiracy of history, many of them are political and argue about McCain vs. Obama or whatever, not understanding that the entire system is rigged.  Lots of them wave American flags around even though America was built on the "liberty, equality, fraternity" motto of the Freemasonic French Revolution, with its anti-Christ separation of Church and state.  

    Believe me, any sort of American patriotism knowing the facts is hard for me to swallow.  But I do not reject my fellow sedes on this basis because a knowledge of the cօռspιʀαcιҽs of the last 200 years is not ( yet ) dogma, though one day it will need to be.

    What we sedes -- who ARE united in the Catholic faith, never mind how few in number -- cannot accept are Popes who make it law to disobey the First Commandment.  I am going to put it simply and lay it out once and for all so you will always understand.  The docuмent of Vatican II known as Lumen Gentium, and NOT the Assisi charade, is what sedes need to point to.  

    * Despite what these ( very bad ) liars say, Vatican II was NOT pastoral but actually binding.  

    * We know this because Lumen Gentium was subtitled "A Dogmatic Constitution on the Church" in giant letters.

    * In the body of the docuмent, Chapter 3, paragraph 25, we are told that we must be "conformably with the will and intention of the Pontiff" and that this will and intention is not only expressed through the extraordinary magisterium, but in TEACHING DOcuмENTS JUST LIKE LUMEN GENTIUM.

    * And what does Lumen Gentium teach?  Chapter 2, paragraph 16, referring to unconverted Jєωs and Muslims, says flat-out "Together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's
    judge on the last day."

    That means that Vatican II is binding -- the docuмent Lumen Gentium, while not ex cathedra, is still binding for "Catholics" adhering to Vatican II as it is given to us by the Jєωιѕн Montini's teaching/brainwashing authority -- and that therefore it is binding for us to believe that God and the devil are the same.

    I'm not exaggerating.  This is the mark of the beast, and it is ENFORCED on great and small.  They are TELLING you that to be part of their "Church," you must become an idolater.  You must worship the devil.  Because the God of the Muslims and unconverted Jєωs is not the Father who sits in heaven.  He reigns below from a throne of lies.

    SSPXers, I want you to think about this.  You are praying not only for but WITH these so-called Popes in an una cuм mass.  If you think you can avoid the taint of this through some kind of circuitous logic, you might as well just go to the Novus Ordo and rewrite the whole thing in your brain as it's happening.  Of course, if you have nowhere else to go in your area, una cuм is better than nothing.  But that, at least in my opinion, is really the only excuse.  

    Ask yourselves, really ask yourselves, what Jesus would do in this circuмstance.  If you think He would have anything to do with this infestation of Beelzebub, you are mad.  It is not being reasonable, it is being entirely unreasonable but putting on a pious air of calm and dignity while you do it.  Do you think it is reasonable to call God the devil, or be one with those who call God the devil?  Then God forbid I should ever be as reasonable as you!  

    And you can stop invoking Arianism or the Great Western Schism.  No Arian directly stated that God and Satan are one and that all their followers must believe this.  Because that is precisely what the Vatican II revolutionaries did.  

    The SSPX is pretending that the Vatican II revolutionaries are much more subtle than they are, and that we must tarry in some kind of unending Beckettian Waiting for Godot farce for them to be officially reprimanded.  But guess what -- considering the entire Vatican structure has been infiltrated and taken over, there are only two ways that these Popes can ever be formally judged:  By the SEDEVACANTIST BISHOPS or BY CHRIST AT HIS SECOND COMING.  

    Since SSPX are in communion with these wild, ravening beasts, engaged in the unending charade of "dialogue" with some of the most vicious apostates that have ever existed, who are partly responsible for the loss of billions, did you get that, BILLIONS of souls ( though every individual must ultimately bear responsibility for their own lukewarmness and hatred of truth ) it is unlikely that they will ever take action to claim what must be claimed: That the sedevacantist/privationists ARE the Catholic Church now, and that the gates of hell have not prevailed against her.

    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    Why the Society of Saint Pius X is not sedevacantist
    « Reply #10 on: May 12, 2009, 10:37:13 PM »
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  • I still see a difference between Feeneyites and neo-Feeneyites such as the Dimonds. I am not a Feeneyite but imo it is unfair to describe Fr Feeney as a fanatic. What is there about him that you object to?

    There are some of us here that understand the v2 anti-popes but at the same time are not sedes--- we just recognise a different Pope.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'