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Why the current crisis requires divine intervention
« on: June 10, 2012, 02:36:22 AM »
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  • Question:
    Why can we expect that the current Vatican will do nothing to
    restore the Feast Day of Corpus Christi in the Universal Church,
    since it has fallen into disuse?

    Answer:
    Read the following speech given on this topic, the substance of
    the Secret of Fatima.

    The ѕυιcιdє of Altering the Faith in the Liturgy
    important contribution to the literature of how the
    Traditional Mass has never been suppressed.

    Not just a defense of how the Traditional Mass has
    never been forbidden, Father explains that
    it is the duty of the Roman Catholic to adhere to the
    received and approved rites.

    The Novus Ordo is the preparation for the
    One World Religion as foretold by Pope St. Pius X
    :


    Appropriately, on the topic of Liturgy and Sanity,
    my book has the title, which is in fact the words of Pope Pius XII,
    "the ѕυιcιdє of altering the Faith in the liturgy."

    It's quite clear that if something is suicidal, it is not
    healthy, it is not sane.

    Pope Pius XII in the context of the Message of Fatima,
    referred to the "ѕυιcιdє of altering the Faith in the Liturgy."

    He himself had not opened the envelope containing the one
    page letter in which sister Lucy wrote down the words of Our
    Lady of Fatima that form the Third Secret, but he was informed,
    as I've explained my articles and previous talks, Pope
    Pius XII had sent Father Joseph Sweigel, who met Sister Lucy
    on the second of September, 1952, and
    Sister Lucy explained entirely what is in the Third Secret to him,
    and he brought the Secret back to Rome, verbally.

    Pope Pius XII however, was already in contact with those who knew  
    the content of the Third Secret. And so he explicitly mentioned
    the message of Our Lady to Lucy of Fatima,
    his preoccupation, and he said the day would come when the Church would
    doubt as Peter had doubted, and he referred specifically to
    "the ѕυιcιdє of altering the Faith in the Liturgy."


    That the changes in the liturgy would be suicidal, would be
    easy enough to predict, because it is something forbidden by divine
    law. This is something that many of the pastors in the Church had completely
    lost sight of, when they decided to authorize the overhaul of the liturgy
    and revise it, although most of the council Fathers at the Second
    Vatican Council had no intention of making changes so radical as
    those that were made.

    But the changes themselves were carefully planned, long in advance,
    and they were planned for a specific purpose. And if we examine where
    those plans came from, where they originated, then we can grasp the utter
    madness of allowing the altered liturgy to continue,
    because it is in fact, something far worse than at first glance
    we might imagine.

    I remeber back in 1983, I was visiting some friends that I had studied with
    in my seminary days in Italy. This was in the Philippines,
    outside the city of Manila in MetroManila in Novaliches,
    an old friend of mine, Father Antonio, had a stack of magazines,
    the name of the magazine is Chiesa Viva, the living Church. It's published
    by Father Luigi Villa, a very staunch defender of tradition and orthodoxy.

    So one afternoon, Father Antonio took out the magazines and started
    reading to me from one issue an article.

    Dom Villa had published Masonic docuмents going back to the 1920's
    and these Masonic docuмents outlined exactly what changes they
    wanted to have made in the liturgy, how they wanted Mass to be
    reformed. And this was the first time that I really began to understand
    just how wrong were the reforms in the liturgy that took place after
    the second Vatican Council. Because every single thing
    that was outlined in that docuмent, what kind of changes
    the brethren of the Lodge wanted to have made in the Mass:
    these were precisely the changes that were introduced in the Novus
    Ordo Missae
    of Pope Paul VI.

    The liturgical reform, point by point, carried out exactly the program
    of liturgical reform outlined by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Now depending on
    what is one's grasp of the nature of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ,
    directly proportionate to our understanding of what is Masonry,
    will be our understanding of the gravity of the danger and
    the madness of having replaced the received and approved rite that
    had been customarily used in the solemn administration of the
    sacraments and the Holy Mass of so many centuries, and that
    replaced with a concocted liturgy made according, and precisely
    according, to the specifications set forth by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

    Some people even have the idea that Masonry is not such a threat
    as it had once been considered to be in the past.

    If we consider the history of the organization we will understand
    that it is the most frightful and powerful organization in the entire  
    world. All too often we tend to view subversive movements,
    Communism, Grand Orient Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, some of the more extreme
    secret societies in a disconnected manner, as though it were
    from some distance, Satan is pulling the strings these organizations
    have sprung up like mushrooms, with the purpose of doing harm to
    the Church, to the Catholic Faith, for the ruin of souls.

    But it's something far worse than that. If we want to understand
    where these things have their origin we must look to Sacred Scripture.

    Already in the Apostolic Age the early Church was attacked by heresy.
    That heresy was gnosticism. In its earliest manifestation in the Church,
    it was called Docetism because, based on the Greek verb meaning to seem,
    it was a denial of the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. This was the basis
    of that heresy. And so the Docetists taught that Our Lord Jesus Christ
    had an apparent body, but since they believed in a dual principle of
    good and evil and that good is entirely spiritual, and therefore,
    everything that is material is evil, the only conclusion for one who
    believes this way is that God could not be in incarnate in a human body
    where all material is evil.

    And so their doctrine was that Our Lord's body only seem to be a
    material, human body, something like the glorified body of those who have
    gloriously risen from the dead but with no substance of body at all; mere
    appearance. [Remnants of this idea were adopted by Mohammedism.]

    St Paul commented that the mystery of iniquity is already operating among us.

    If you carefully examine historical docuмents, ancient chronicles,
    and there are some writers that have actually undertaken the task
    done the homework for us. You will see that century by century, in an
    unbroken succession, the mystery of iniquity has attacked the Church
    founded by Jesus Christ, which is the Ark of Salvation.

    In the Old Testament we see the struggle between the followers of
    almighty God, the chosen people, the Israelites, and the pagan gods
    and their followers. St. Paul, of course, tells us, and not just St. Paul
    but the Scripture itself in the Old Testament, that the gods of
    pagans are devils.

    Century after century there has been the combat between the devil
    and his minions, and God and His Faithful in both testaments.

    And so the mystery of iniquity unfolds and develops down through
    the centuries. At root it is always the selfsame thing, but it presents
    itself to successive ages each time always wearing a different mask,
    multiple different masks. And so it was, that when Adolf Hitler signed a
    treaty, the non-aggression pact with Stalin, his fellow nαzιs were
    highly critical. How could he make a deal with the Communists, who were
    the arch enemies with the nαzιs?

    Hitler in his own defense, said, Communism and national socialism are
    essentially the same thing.

    The mystery of iniquity wears different masks so that it will be in
    control of apparently opposing groups, opposing organizations and
    opposing nations and diverse religious organizations, gaining control
    of them so they will all, in spite of their mutual opposition, be
    working for the same end, for the same purpose.

    Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, as Albert Pike explains, is gnostic in its very essence.
    And as Pike further explains, the sacred scriptures of Masonry are the
    so-called Jєωιѕн Kaballa. It is a pantheistic system of pseudo-religious
    thought, formulated philosophically in the system of Hegel; in a
    mystical pseudo-theological manner, by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin;
    in a pseudo Judaic garb by the Kabbalists.

    But it is all, as the Masons themselves quite appropriately termed as,
    the ancient mysteries.

    What are the ancient mysteries? It's the pagan mysteries of old.

    The ancient Caananites believed in the god called Baal. His proper
    title would be Beelzeebul, a name that means, the lord of the earth,
    or prince of the world.

    So here we get the origin of the name designated by Our Blessed Savior,
    Jesus Christ. He refers to the Prince of Darkness, the prince of this
    world. In ancient Caanan, they built temples to this false god. In those
    temples they had a liturgy, according to the mythology of that religion,
    Baal had been cast out of heaven. Of course, We read in Scripture
    that God condemned him to hell for all eternity, and the great battle,
    Michael and his angels cast him out of heaven.

    Our Lord Jesus Christ stated in the Gospel, I saw Satan fall from heaven
    like lightening.

    But the devotees of Baal chanted in their liturgy that in the end Baal
    will triumph, he will conquer heaven, he will regain the kingdom
    that he has lost.

    Now, one does not have to be well-versed in
    metaphysics to understand the basic principle that there can only be one God
    there cannot be two or three or any others. Because God is a supreme being.

    Everything that exists is composed of potentiality and act. It doesn't
    require great analytical powers to arrive at this conclusion. It is something
    that is plain as day. And since all things that we come into contact with
    are created, because they are composed of this dual principle of potentiality
    and act, we know that everything in this universe, material or spiritual, is
    created by God, because what is not essential being is participated being, and
    that which is participated being depends on that which is essential being for
    all of its existence.

    So we encounter this principle in the Quinqivia the 5 ways where St. Thomas
    Aquinas proves the existence of God. 5 distinct proofs but each one hinges
    on that principle of potentiality and act, and therefore, all reality can only
    be rationally understood in having intelligibility
    if we understand that there is a
    supreme being who is essentially, perfectly
    infinitely the pure act of being, and
    everything else that exists is creation, created by God.

    And that's why God revealed His name to Moses when He said, I am Who Am,
    because God is revealing Himself as the infinite, eternal and perfect act
    of being, the source of all being and therefore the creator of all things.

    From this we gain the certain understanding, there can
    only be one God, there exists one God and therefore that is
    our first Article of Faith. When we profess our faith we say,

    that I believe in God, the creator almighty, creator of
    heaven and earth. A corollary of this truth, is as
    St. Maximilian Kolbe explained to a Japanese pagan philosopher,
    since there is only one God, there can be only one true religion.

    Masonry is a religion, it proclaims itself as such. It is
    the religion of the ancient pagan mysteries.

    The pagans would gather all the gods together and work them into their
    system, their mythological system of belief. But in the hierarchy of the
    so-called gods, there was one who had the highest place, and that is the
    one who is the arch-enemy of almighty God,
    who identifies Himself, with those to whom he chose to
    revealed Himself, to the patriarchs Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
    The entire Old Testament we can see is a struggle between
    the one true God and the false god, the one who fell from
    heaven like lightening.

    Albert Pike explains in the Morals and Dogma of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, that
    those ancient, pagan mysteries are properly the substance of the religion
    of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. As Scripture teaches us, the gods of the pagans are devils.

    And Pike goes on to reveal who is the god of Masonry, with those terrible
    words, "Lucifer, the Light Bearer, doubt it not."

    Now this is something that should really fill us with horror, when we consider
    that Masonry is a pagan, satanic, lucifarian religion, dedicated to the utter
    destruction, and overthrow of the Catholic faith, the Catholic religion, the
    Kingdom of God established in this world by Jesus Christ, Our Lord.

    The liturgical reform carried out by the Consilium after Vatican II point by
    point carried out the reforms prescribed by Masonry, whose program is to
    destroy the Catholic faith, to subvert our worship, and replace the true
    religion with the false, Lucifarian religion of Masonry.

    This alone, this consideration alone, shows us what is the madness
    of carrying on with a liturgy, established in the post-Conciliar
    liturgical reform, under the leadership of Annibale Bugnini,
    who was, in fact a Mason!

    What we have to confront, is the movement of an enemy, an enemy that
    occupies by stealth.

    It reminds me of the Korean War. The Communists were so clever.
    The way they infiltrated across the border of China into Korea, the Allied
    forces of General MacArthur were not even aware that they were ready to strike.

    No one saw any evidence of the presence of massive numbers of enemy
    troops, Nevertheless the Communists were prepared and ready to strike,
    and they dealt a deadly blow.

    In the Catholic Church, under the camoflage of every imaginable explanation
    why we have to carry out these utterly ruinous reforms and continue and
    persevere, until there is nothing left of Catholicism, every conceivable
    excuse and explanation is given to justify it, but this is all camoflage.
    But what we see is taking place in the Church today, is the occupation by an
    army of enemy forces.

    In the Book of Lamentations we read, all the kings of the world and all
    the inhabitants of the earth could not believe that the adversary and the
    enemy, had entered in through the gates of Jerusalem. One might legitimately ask
    could this refer to what has happened to the Church since the Council?

    The answer is emphatically "YES."

    Because that is the substance of the Secret of Fatima.

    One might first wonder, how can it be? When the world awaited the
    revelation of the Third Secret of Fatima, and it appeared that
    Pope John was planning to reveal the secret before he opened it.

    When he opened the envelope and read that single sheet of paper, he decided
    it could not be revealed. The press release from the Vatican said that it would
    probably never be revealed.

    I've heard it from a number of sources, and this is close to 30 years ago, when
    people were still alive who knew Pope John XXIII personally; these are
    good sources.

    Pope John opened the envelope, he read it, he turned white, and he almost fainted.
    One might legitimately ask, if the Church is faced with something so horrifying,
    and so dangerous, that the Pope would be so struck with horror as he read it, then
    why did he keep it secret?

    People have asked this question over and over again, I'm sure for nearly
    everyone here, this is not the first time you've heard this question.

    Today I'm going to answer the question.

    One who had the privilege of reading the secret was Malachi Martin. It was handed
    to him by Pope John. He was together with Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Bea.

    Malachi Martin said of the Third Secret of Fatima, that there is something there
    so horrifying, that if it were made known to people that Churches would be filled,
    that people would be kneeling before the Blessed Sacrament, that they would be
    striking and beating their breasts, begging God for mercy.

    So when we, quite correctly, guess that in the Third Secret, there are things such
    as the material annihilation of entire nations, nuclear war, great catastrophes,
    these things are horrifying enough, but I don't see the churches filling up with
    people, falling on their knees and begging for mercy, because there is something
    so horrifying, that it would be scarcely to be imagined and would be difficult to
    guess, were it not for the fact that Pope Benedict, before he was elected to the
    Roman Pontificate, 22 years ago in an interview that was published in November of
    1984, he gave the secret away without realizing it.

    But what he said, in principle, contains the horrors of the Third secret.

    I'm sure nearly all of you have heard the quotation before, when Cardinal
    Ratzinger said that the Third Secret deals with the dangers to the faith and
    the life of the Christian, and he said that what is set forth in the Third
    Secret has been repeated again and again in other Marian Apparitions.
    And in my articles, I have dealt in detail with the chastisements foretold in
    some of the other Marian apparitions.

    He also pointed out Scripture: the eschatalogical texts of Sacred Scripture,
    where the Marian apparitions reveal so much up to a certain point -- if we want
    to begin to grasp the full horror of what is in the Third Secret -- bearing in
    mind that Cardinal Ratzinger joined together the contents of the Third Secret
    and the chastisements foretold in other Marian apparitions, with the dreadful,
    apocalyptic, eschatalogical text of Sacred Scripture.  

    In the early days of the Church, Saint Paul warned us that the mystery of
    iniquity is already operating among us. When it culminates into the fullness of
    its horrors, then we will recognize that it is what we know it to be,  
    named in Sacred Scripture as the mystery of Babylon.

    Why Babylon? Why does Scripture refer to the mystery of iniquity in such terms?

    It is because we have in the Book of Genesis, a prophetic symbol of that
    apocalyptic Beast, the Tower of Babel. The encouraging thing about the Tower
    of Babel is that it is never fully never completed. Not because the builders got
    tired of what they were trying to do, since they had been working on it since
    Old Testament times.

    If we recall, in the Book of Genesis, it was God who destroyed it.

    This is the connection with the message of Fatima.

    The destruction of that mystery of iniquity, the mystery of Babylon
    Pope and the bishops consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    But in order to set into place the abomination that makes desolate
    our Holy Catholic religion has to be subverted and destroyed as the Masons
    explained, in order that it be replaced with the Satanic, Masonic worship.

    That will be the religion of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, the one world government, the
    one world religion, foretold by Pope St. Pius X.
    Pope St. Pius X seeing the stage to which the mystery of iniquity has
    developed, hopefully spoke of this fear that the Antichrist was already alive
    and living on this earth.

    This is where we get to the liturgical reform. The actual liturgical reform
    that has taken place in the Church is a Masonic reform.

    It is designed for the purpose of destroying the Catholic faith and replacing
    it with a false religion. The Masonic project is the unity of all religions
    in one, great universal, so-called Church.

    And in order to unite all religions together, they must get rid of dogmas.
    We are told that "dogmas divide."

    We must have a religion that all men can agree on. And so
    the Masonic writers say that what we need to do with Christianity: we
    must have a dogma free Christianity.

    And so they constructed a liturgy, the novus ordo mass: and you cannot
    help but notice how the dogmatic content: in some places is very much
    obscured and in other places entirely eliminated. It's not an accident why
    the new mass of Paul IV is so devoid of dogmatic content.

    Now, someone might object: the Liturgy is not a catechism class. It's not
    supposed to enumerate the dogmas of faith clearly so we can learn from it.
    That's what the catechism is for. But that is a wrong objection.

    As Father Sommerville pointed out in his talk,
    the teaching of the Popes has been, and it goes back to the time where it was
    formulated, by Pope Saint Celestine in the fifth century:

    Legem credendi statuat lex supplicandi.

    Let the law of prayer establish the law of belief.

    That principle must be rightly understood.
    The law of prayer is not something that can be legislated.

    How did it turn out that the law of prayer established the law of belief?
    Logically, you would think it was the other way around.

    You have the Creed, the dogmas of our faith, and if we're going to
    construct prayers and liturgies, we're going to have to make very sure
    that those prayers conform to the dogmas of our faith. So you might
    justifiably wonder, why did not the Church say,
    Let the law of faith establish the law of prayer???

    But in fact, it's been repeated over and over again down through the
    centuries:

    Let the law of prayer establish the law of belief.

    If we understand how liturgy comes into being, then it becomes perfectly
    clear, the aptness, the appropriateness the correctness of the principle.

    I quote in my book the great scholars of the 20th century when he said
    that liturgy is not created or composed, it's not concocted, I don't
    remember the verbatim quotation, but words to this effect:

    Liturgy grows in the devotion of the centuries.

    The development of the traditional liturgies began in the Apostolic Age.

    The Apostles preached the Faith and it was that faith that was received
    under the prompting of the Holy Ghost, which poured forth into prayer
    and became the basis of our Sacred Liturgy.
    It is the Faith under the guidance of the Holy Ghost, that
    down through the centuries formed our liturgy. And thus it was
    the faith that first established the law of prayer.

    And THAT is why the law of prayer established the law of belief.
    Because it is entirely produced and created,
    the product of our divine and Catholic faith.
    It is in THIS manner that the the law of prayer establishes the law of belief.
    And with that in mind we can understand perfectly well that
    a liturgy concocted by the members of a commission can never be the law
    of prayer, and it can never establish the law of belief.

    And so it is, that the liturgy is not something that
    Church authorities simply concoct and compose and
    by decree impose upon the Church.

    It has never been that way, and and it cannot be that way, because it is
    the law of God, expressed in the solemn profession of faith,
    the Tridentine profession of Faith, and repeated again and again,
    also in the First Vatican Council.

    The principle is set forth in our profession of faith
    that we must adhere to the received and approved rite
    customarily used in the solemn administration of the sacraments.

    Received and approved: what that means is the rite that has
    been received, handed down in the process of tradition.
    The perpetuation of that tradition establishes the custom, the customary liturgy;  
    custom which is the best interpreter of laws, according to
    the code of canon law. The law of custom therefore, in liturgy is a
    law unto itself, because it is a profession of faith.

    It is not a human law, it is not an ecclesiastical law,
    it is Divine Law that binds the Catholic conscience
    to the received and approved rites customarily used in the
    solemn administration of the sacraments. This is the reason that
    Pope St. Pius V in Quo Primum declared so solemnly, and
    although he uses a legal that is very similar to expressions used
    in other docuмents of merely ecclesiastical law and this similarity
    of expression is sometimes used as an argument that Quo Primum is
    just an ecclesiastical law enacted by one pope and that can be
    repealed by another. But look carefully and you'll see that there
    is a far more solemn wording to this docuмent of Quo Primum.
    Pope St. Pius V says, by our apostolic authority We statute,
    decree and declare that this present docuмent cannot ever be
    revoked or modified.

    Now, either he has declared solemnly by his apostolic authority,
    that the docuмent cannot be repealed or diminished any way, or else
    words have lost their meaning. Some people are still mystified, and
    some men with more degrees than I have and more degrees than I
    will ever have in such departments of canon law and theology,
    they have a problem accepting this point.

    I understood, however, in a book I had earlier read, it did not cite the
    dogmatic sources, but I was given the clue when I read that
    Quo Primum is not a dogmatic definition. It is BASED ON DOGMA,
    so I decided, that if this is true, I would be able to find that
    dogmatic expression somewhere. And I eventually did.

    It is in the Tridentine profession of faith;
    it is in the Coronation Oath that the Popes had to solemnly swear for
    600 years from Pope St. Agatho until Celestine the fifth. They solemnly swore,
    testifying to the fact
    that they did not possess the authority to change the Church's rites and discipline.
    Pope st. Gelasius explained, there can be modifications made of the
    Church's discipline. To make a modification and to radically alter it
    are two entirely different things.

    The popes solemnly swore to Saint Peter that they
    did not have the power to change the liturgy and the discipline of the Church.
    Down through the centuries the popes have pointed out that the pope can
    make modifications according to the emerging, different needs of the Church.
    Down through the ages, of course it is clear that some modifications are
    going to be needed to be made because there are changes to the ways that
    we live down through the centuries this is only common sense,
    basic principle enshrined in this docuмent of tradition, is that the
    Pope does not possess the authority to overthrow the liturgy
    To overthrow discipline of the Church.

    The Pope has supreme power, not absolute. Only God has absolute authority.
    Supreme authority means that the pope has the highest authority on earth.
    But it is limited and circuмscribed according
    to the teaching of the Church. And it is limited regarding the liturgy,
    according to those docuмents that set forth the
    Church's traditional faith, the rule of faith which is Tradition.
    And the rule of faith is that the Catholic conscience is forever
    bound to receive, to embrace, and hold on to,
    adhere to the received and approved rites handed down in the Church.
    This is the reason Pope St. Pius V in Quo Primum, says, regarding the Mass
    that is in his 1570 missal, he says, this is the rite, handed down
    in the Roman Church.

    Which means to say, the Roman Rite, the venerable Roman Rite in
    the Tridentine Missal, is the received and approved rite handed
    down in the Roman Church. As such, the dogma of faith binds the Catholic
    to the received and approved rite, and therefore to that Roman rite of Mass
    set forth in the Tridentine missal.

    The same principle is at work earlier in the Council of Florence.
    The question of leavened bread or unleavened bread:

    The Council of Florence decides, and defines, that in the
    Greek Church, the Sacrament of the Eucharist is to be confected
    with leavened bread, and that the Blessed Sacrament in the
    Roman Church is to be confected with unleavened bread.

    And the docuмent gives us the reasons:
    each is to follow the custom of his own, ritual Church.
    And therefore, the unleavened bread pertains to the custom of the
    received and approved rite of the Roman Church and therefore
    it is sanctioned by divine law, and it cannot be changed.

    No Pope can arbitrarily ever tell us we must use leavened bread.
    Because it is by divine law that we adhere to the customary,
    received and approved rite. Likewise the Council of Florence defined
    that in the Greek Church they are to use the leavened bread because
    that is the custom in their received and approved rite.

    This is why something that would appear at first glance to be merely
    disciplinary is solemnly decreed and solemnly defined, because liturgy
    is not mere discipline. There is a disciplinary consequence and a
    disciplinary aspect about liturgy, but first and foremost, the
    liturgy is governed according to divine law as it is set forth,  
    St. Paul in the very foundational principle of all liturgy, says:

    I handed on that which I have received.

    And St. Paul in the context makes it clear he is not simply talking about
    dogmatic teachings, speculative doctrines, but such concrete things as
    liturgy itself, because it was in that context that he spoke of the very
    first Mass, when Our Blessed Lord took bread and wine
    and changed it into His Most Precious Body and Blood.
    And then St. Paul says, I have handed on that which I have received.
    This is the principle of divine law, the liturgy to be handed on
    is that which is received.

    Therefore, by Divine Law, that which is the received and approved rite
    cannot be replaced or changed.

    One doesn't have to be a prophet to understand that if we depart from
    divine law, transgress the divine law, we are not going to obtain a
    good result. But that is what was done with the liturgical reform of the
    Second Vatican Council.

    But the new liturgy is more than just something that we
    consider to be defective in the abstract. As I mentioned before,
    it was designed by Masons!

    The priests who formed the Consilium were fed with these suggestions from
    Bugnini and his brother Masons, and whatever convincing and apparently
    justifiable arguments that were given, ultimately it had been
    drawn up in advance, for the purpose of a transition from Catholicism
    to Masonic Lucifarianism.

    It is madness,it is the height of insanity that the pastors of the Church
    will make any excuse to maintain in use the Novus Ordo liturgy which was
    created by the enemy within the gate for the purpose of conquering the
    Church, subverting it, and destroying it, and replacing the worship of
    God with the worship of satan.

    It sounds unbelievable, but it is docuмented, it is demonstrable and it
    is proven. And so Our Lady came to Fatima with the warning. And here we
    come to the reason why the secret has never really been revealed.

    And why the lies and deception have come from the highest levels of
    the Vatican to keep the Secret hidden from us.

    Even Cardinal Bea, allegedly a Freemason himself, and one of the leaders
    of the ecuмenical movement -- he, himself was deeply scandalized by the
    decision not to publish the Third Secret. In spite of all his shortcomings,
    he was a man with a priestly vocation, and his primary concern was the
    salvation of souls. And by not publishing the Secret, the result, the
    consequence would be the the loss, the damnation of millions of souls,
    that might otherwise be saved, if the world would be forewarned with the
    publication of the Third Secret of Fatima.

    The Third Secret begins with the words in Portugal, the dogma of the Faith
    will always be preserved. Something after these words so impressed Pope
    John XXIII that he turned white and almost fainted. Now I know for a fact,
    something of the content of the Third Secret, if you've read my articles, then
    you already know what I'm going to say.

    Around 1990, one of Cardinal Ratzinger's friends told the story to
    a young priest. This old priest, a native German speaker, told the young
    priest that his friend, Cardinal Ratzinger had revealed to him some of the
    elements of the Third Secret. Our Lady warned that there would be an evil
    council in the Church. And she expressly warned against making changes in
    the liturgy of the Mass. The word was "mixing other elements into the liturgy."
    Which is exactly what they did: they diluted the Catholic liturgy with
    foreign, Protestant elements in order to create an ecuмenical liturgy.
    Which waters down the dogmatic content of our faith, and prepares
    and paves the way to unite all religions together, to bring about unity
    through the mixture of the different forms of heresy, apostasy
    infidelity and out and out paganism.

    It would all be joined together in this promiscuous unity by means of
    changes in the Mass.

    The New mass is the transition to the One World Religion.
    It doesn't matter that this would not have been personally the goal of
    Pope Paul VI. What is incredible is that the the pope was duped, but  
    duped he was. The pastors of the Church made a terrible mistake and
    we've been living with the consequences for forty years now. But no longer
    are we looking to something in the distant future as the ultimate
    consequence. We are on the verge of seeing the definitive overthrow of
    our religion. Catholicism will be driven underground and Catholics will
    be hunted down, and the aim will be to exterminate every Catholic from
    the face of the earth. And the Godless rulers of the world, imposing their
    nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, will be stopped only by the hand of God.

    But this is the thing, that is so almost unbelievable, that it is through the
    agency of a Pope calling a council, a council which proclaimed doctrines
    that had been previously condemned by the Church.

    Something unimaginable, something unheard of.

    Yves Congar even went so far as to say, that what the council has taught in fact,
    is explicitly condemned in the Syllabus of Errors.

    Now the Syllabus of Errors, as I point out in my book, fulfills all the
    conditions of infallibility. Pope Pius IX declared by his apostolic authority
    that all Catholics must hold these doctrines to be condemned. It is
    put forth in a very forceful manner, definitive manner, imposed on the entire
    Church solemnly proclaimed infallibly proclaimed as errors. At the Second
    Vatican Council we see some of those errors proclaimed as truth. Ecuмenism
    as Pope Pius declared would destroy the Catholic and therefore the Catholic
    Church can have NOTHING to do with it. Vatican II promotes it, now we have a
    new Catechism a new code of canon law promoting these things.

    Some writers will tell you it's impossible for the council, for any council,
    teaching in matters of Faith and Morals to be erroneous. I remember reading
    an article by Ralph Mc Innerney and another writer, Pete Vere, I think, and
    their article in the Wanderer, they're quoting out of context such sources
    as the Catholic Encyclopedia saying that the Second Vatican Council cannot
    be in error because it's impossible for a council to teach error. Of course
    this is absurd, especially in view of the fact that the principle set forth
    by Saint Augustine, and reiterated by Saint Thomas Aquinas, and used by
    theologians through the ages

    Contra factum non est argumentum. Against a fact can be no argument.
    It is entirely irrational and absurd that the second Vatican council cannot teach
    error when in fact, it HAS taught error.

    A young man in England wrote a book, I should say he compiled a book, on every
    page on the left hand side you have the preconciliar teaching, on the right hand
    side you have the post conciliar teaching; something like 290 pages of
    contradictions. On the left hand side you read black, on the right hand
    side you read white, two different bodies of doctrine -- two opposing doctrines.

    There can be no mistake. It is as Bishop Richard Williamson said to the face
    of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, who maintained that, they were really very close,
    that there are only minor matters of disagreement, Bishop Williamson said,
    No, your Eminence, it is two different religions.

    People might object and say, well, how can you say that? After all, the Holy
    Father himself, when he was Cardignal Ratzinger and he still maintains the
    same position today, that What is set forth in the Second Vatican Council
    in other words, he says there is no post conciliar and pre-conciliar, it's all
    one religion, one body of doctrine.

    The fact of the matter is, there are two distinct, divergent and opposing
    bodies of doctrine. One cannot deny, without making a flat contradiction, and
    if we are to believe that there is any ultimate principle of order and sanity
    in the new church, the brave new church of Vatican II,
    that is really identical in spite of some superficial differences with the
    Church of all times, then one must maintain the possibility to reconcile
    utterly contradictory positions and doctrines.
     
    There is a unanimity of prophesy so we're not just talking about the
    Third Secret, what is there or what is not there. Down through the ages
    the saints and privileged souls had pinpointed our time, for that
    great cataclysm the chastisement of the world: world war, and then
    according to one prophesy, when the Communist powers conquer the world,
    then the entire world will fall under the dominion of first born of hell.
    as Sister Lucy pointed out, if you want to read it, it's in the Apocalypse,  
    chapter 8 to 13.

    Now we know what cardinal Ratzinger was talking about when he says the
    Third Secret corresponds to what's in Scripture, and specifically the
    last things: the Book of Apocalypse.

    It will appear that the Church will be totally defeated, destroyed, and
    wiped off the face of the earth. The Church will be in hiding, will be under
    ground it will no longer be visible. It will appear that Satan has
    triumphed over Christ. And what brought it about? It was that Trojan
    Horse in the City of God. Vatican II and the new mass that made it
    possible. These that are the means that have subverted our Church, our
    religion, and have paved the way for its fall, and to be replaced by what
    Marie Julie Jaheghi foretold would be a horrible religion. It will be a
    a lucifarian, demon-worshipping religion with some false trappings of
    counterfeit Catholicism, in order to seduce the faithless masses.

    And what sustains the error is this utterly absurd and untenable
    position, that there really has not taken place anything substantially changing
    the faith and doctrine, the substance of our religion from what it was
    in the past by means of the Second Vatican Council and the new liturgy.

    In order for one to believe that, it is necessary for one to be able
    to equally profess that black is white and white is black.

    And so Our Lady had to come to rescue us -- sustain our faith
    with the assurance of  the victory of her divine Son through her
    intercession, and so she says, in the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph
    And for those who insist that the new liturgy is good, and the Second
    Vatican Council is Catholic, there is only one answer that we can give to
    them, that is the curse of the Sacred Scriptures that says,

    Woe to the man who puts evil in the place of good and
    darkness in the place of light.


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  • About halfway through this presentation, Fr. Stephen Somerville is mentioned:

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    Now, someone might object: the Liturgy is not a catechism class. It's not
    supposed to enumerate the dogmas of faith clearly so we can learn from it.
    That's what the catechism is for. But that is a wrong objection.

    As Father Somerville pointed out in his talk,
    the teaching of the Popes has been, and it goes back to the time where it was
    formulated, by Pope Saint Celestine in the fifth century:

    Legem credendi statuat lex supplicandi.

    Let the law of prayer establish the law of belief.

    That principle must be rightly understood.
    The law of prayer is not something that can be legislated.


    One might wonder what the reference is. Those who had been present at this talk had just heard Fr. Somerville, and so his words would have been fresh in their mind (if they had been paying attention at this point, of course).

    Therefore, I have found the referenced words, and hearing them again, I see something that is perhaps of interest to readers today, in light of current events, including but not limited to the restoration gestures of this past Advent, where the three Mea Culpas were added to the so-called confiteor in the Novus Ordo liturgy.

    Father Somerville (the only surviving member of the ICEL Commission held in A.D. 1970):

    [He is reading from an open letter published 4 years prior, through magazines worldwide, including The Angelus, in which he begs public pardon for his participation in a work that damaged the Catholic faith in ICEL, in "the bold mistranslations confidently proposed and pressed by the ever-strengthening radical, progressive element in our group."]

    ...Before Communion we pray, Lord I am not worthy that Thou shouldst enter
    under my roof. ICEL changed this to "not worthy to receive you." We lose the roof
    metaphor, clear echo of the Gospel, Matthew 8, and a vivid, concrete image for a
    child to appreciate.

    ICEL's changes amounted to true devastation, especially in the
    Oration prayers of the Mass, the Collects.
    The Collect or opening prayer for Sunday 21 of so-called Ordinary season or
    Ordinary time in the new missal will exemplify the damage.

    The Latin prayer, strictly translated says this:
    O God, who make the minds of the faithful to be of one will, grant to your
    peoples grace to love that which you command and to desire that which you
    promise, so that amidst worldly variety, our hearts may there be fixed where
    true joys are found.

    Here now, the ICEL version, in use in our churches since 1973:

    Father, help us to seek the values that will bring us lasting joy in this changing
    world. In our desire for what you promise, make us one in mind and heart.

    Believe it or not, that was supposed to be a translation of the one I read earlier.

    A few comments:

    To call God "Father" is simply not customary in the liturgy, and is presumptuous,
    except in the Our Father, the Lord's Prayer, where Our Lord Himself tells us to call
     Him that.

    "Help us to seek," that phrase, implies that we could do this alone -- that's
    Pelagian heresy -- but would like some aid from God.
    Jesus teaches: Without Me you can do nothing.

    The Latin prays, "grant to us," not just help us, but ICEL's "values" suggest
    that secular buzz-word, values, that are currently popular, or politically correct
    for changing from person to person and place to place.

    The next phrase, "lasting joy in this changing world," is an impossibility.

    The phrase, "in our desire," presumes that we already have the desire.
    But the Latin humbly prays for this.

    "What you promise," that's another phrase, omits what you, God, command,
    thus weakening our sense of duty.

    The phrase, "make us one in mind and heart," is a new sentence, and
    appears as the main petition, yet not in coherence with what went before.
    The Latin rather teaches that uniting our minds is a constant work of God to
    be achieved by our pondering His commandments and promises.

    Clearly ICEL has written a NEW PRAYER.

    Does all this criticism matter? Profoundly!

    THE liturgy is our law of praying, Lex orandi [supplicandi]
    and it forms our law of believing, lex credendi.

    IF ICEL has changed our liturgy, it will change our faith, and we
    see the signs of this change and loss of faith all around us.

    The foregoing instances of weakening the Latin Catholic liturgy prayers
    must suffice. There are certainly thousands of mistranslations in the
    accuмulated work of ICEL.

    As the work progressed, I became a more and more articulate critic.
    My term of office on the advisory board ended voluntarily (with a little
    pressure, as I recall) about 1973. And I was named "member emeritus"
    and consultant.

    As of this writing, I renounce any lingering reality of this status.

    (I'm still reading the letter to the magazines that I wrote 4 years ago)...












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  • I once read that the feast of the Precious Blood of 1 July was also erased from the calendar of the New Order during the reign of John the 23rd.  I read your post and thank you for it.  I am kind of new to this forum.  What have you written?

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  • At the end of his talk, Fr. Somerville returns to the Latin text translated as
    "The law of prayer establishes the law of belief" which is equivalent to saying that
    the law of belief is established by the law of prayer. His version of the Latin is:

    Lex supplicandi statuat legem credendi.

    Those unfamiliar with how Latin works might think that is different from the text referred to in the first post, namely:

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    Legem credendi statuat lex supplicandi.


    ...but notice it is merely the order of words that is changed, while the actual words themselves, are kept the same. In Latin that is okay, because the order of words in a sentence doesn't determine the meaning of the sentence as it does so often in English.

    The phrases used in both versions are these:

    legem credendi
    statuat
    lex supplicandi

    Which is the same list as this:

    lex supplicandi
    statuat
    legem credendi

    In other words, the two sentences above are different renderings of the same
    list of words and phrases, and therefore have the same meaning in Latin because
    changing the order of phrases in Latin does not change the meaning of the sentence.

    Furthermore, he expands on the interpretation into English of what these sentences both mean:

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    The law of praying should lead to, and define, and clarify and establish
    the law of believing.

    In other words, if you pray a certain way, certain prayers, certain formulas day
    after day, month after month, year after year, those prayers are going to form
    your faith. Therefore it's important that the liturgy of the Church be faithful
    to its prayer forms, and it hasn't been. They have been deliberately changed
    by Bugnini's committee, in order to fit the growing apostasy in the world, so
    that the Catholic Church will become an ecuмenical church, a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr
    church, a United Nations church.

    And what did St. Paul say? Be not conformed to the world. So, one of the nice
    things is to see that Liturgiam authenticam docuмent come out just 4 years
     ago [May 7, 2001], but my answer is and I use the very words of Jesus:

    "They say, but do not."

    They say the right things about liturgy and translating, and keeping traditions
    of the past but they haven't kept them, they threw them out, way back in 1968.
    Are we ever going to get them back?

    Yes!

    You and I, the traditional Catholics, are bringing them back, and keeping
    them back. And loving them, and feeding ourselves on them, every Sunday.

    Continue to do it!

    God bless you, and thank you for your kind and patient attention!











     
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  • Quote from: songbird
    I once read that the feast of the Precious Blood of 1 July was also erased from the calendar of the New Order during the reign of John the 23rd.  I read your post and thank you for it.  I am kind of new to this forum.  What have you written?


    Hi, songbird.

    I'm not familiar with the history of the Feast of the Precious Blood, specifically.
    I guess it's time to do some homework!

    But generally speaking, yes, there were drastic changes made to the Church's
    liturgical calendar under John XXIII, which is one of his most severe blemishes,
    for which he no doubt will be answering for in eternity!

    I received it on very good authority that the only possible explanation for
    why they made all those capricious changes was with the intention of instituting
    confusion and discord in the Church. Nothing else makes sense.



    When you look at the history of the Church, the things that were suddenly changed right around 1960 are so numerous and extreme that there is no precedent for it elsewhere in history. It is literally a new religion.



    But it follows a pattern of the revolutionaries in several ways. They took the
    opportunity to institute change to the fullest degree conceivable, and then some.

    The calendar was first emptied of numerous "old" saints, the ones that were
    deemed somehow vulnerable in any way whatsoever, such as St. Philomena and
    St. Christopher, and this void that resulted was soon to be filled by the new
    canonizations of John Paul II, which were so numerous as to dwarf the number
    of saints named by all his predecessors combined. Another first!

    It was like the criticism of Scripture citations in the Liturgy. The first phase was
    to dump the commemorations and Octaves, and the reading of the gospel of the
    Mass displaced in place of the first chapter of John at the Last Gospel. Then with a
    severely depleted variety in Scripture, they complained that there wasn't enough
    Scripture readings -- BUT THEY JUST REMOVED MORE THAN HALF OF THE
    SCRIPTURE READINGS THEMSELVES!  First they create a void, then they
    complain that there is now a void. DUUUH!

    Why did they do that? They had in mind a goal, and they said, "How do we
    make our goal appear to be the answer to some problem?" So first they make
    the problem happen, then they propose their answer to the problem, but
    their answer is really their own goal that they had in mind all along.

    What was their goal? To institute a three-year cycle with all new readings, getting
    rid of the old Catholic Scripture readings and replacing them with less spiritually
    centered, and worldly readings.

    Another change that makes no sense is moving the Feast of Christ the King
    from the last Sunday in October to the last Sunday in the liturgical year, around
    the end of November. That was done to erase the principle that the Social
    Kingship of Jesus Christ belongs to our world, here and now. It was done to
    make it appear to only belong to some other reality, fantasy, dream or world,
    like perhaps, the world to come. When Christ the King is celebrated before the
    Feast of All Saints, we have in mind Who our King is, and the saints are brought
    in, under that context. But when the Christ the King is relegated to an
    afterthought clashing with "Thanksgiving Day" and Advent, and preparations
    for the Christmas season, it basically loses all its significance.
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  • You have touched on a very profound truth. That this battle will be won or lost in the Spiritual Realm.  If we are in our lifetime to see a reversal of modernism - then it will come when enough Catholics have had enough to amend their lives and to return to the True Tridentine Latin Mass and the Sacraments - the Holy Rosary - the Public Processions - and to Stand up to immorality because of the effect it has on our Society and on our youth.

    We will see Catholics in Corpus Christie Processions throughout this country. We will see a return to Traditional Worship. But just as importantly - we need Catholics to say their morning offerings - their noon and evening prayers their family Holy Rosaries - we need fastings and penances and sacrifice and all suffering of the day offered in reparation for sin.  We need the youth to understand the gravity of Sin and its consequences. We need to learn temperance and mortification.

    This is where the battle will be won or lost. Right now - we are losing that battle.

    Pax

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  • Quote from: Malleus 01
    You have touched on a very profound truth.
    That this battle will be won or lost in the Spiritual Realm.  
    If we are, in our lifetime, to see a reversal of modernism
    - then it will come when enough Catholics have had enough [of these evils] to amend their lives and to return to the True Tridentine Latin Mass and the Sacraments
    - the Holy Rosary
    - the Public Processions
    - and to Stand up to immorality because of the effect it has on our Society and on our youth.

    We will see Catholics in Corpus Christi Processions throughout this country.
    We will see a return to Traditional Worship.
    But just as importantly
    - we need Catholics to say their morning offerings
    - their noon and evening prayers, their family Holy Rosaries
    - we need fastings and penances and sacrifice and all sufferings of the day offered in reparation for sin.  
    We need the youth to understand the gravity of Sin and its consequences.
    We need to learn temperance and mortification.

    This is where the battle will be won or lost.
    Right now - we are losing that battle.

    Pax



    This has been the message that Our Lady has been bringing to us for 400 years in apparitions. You know, it's the same thing she told the Apostles during their lifetimes. It's what she is all about, and it's the reason the devil hates her so, because what she has to tell us, if we would only listen and believe it, would make us so much more difficult for the devil to win for his infernal purpose.

    She tried to warn us at Fatima, that in 1960 her secret would be clearer then, because that's when the unclean spirit of Vatican II would raise its demonic head.

    Whenever She appeared, such as Tepeyac Hill in Mexico City, or at La Salette, France, or Fatima, Portugal, She always asked the visionaries to have a chapel built on that spot. A chapel is where the Canonized Latin Mass would be offered, the mystical Sacrifice of Her Son. Did She ever ask that the nefarious Novus Ordo liturgy be used?? NO! NEVER! And it is the BIG LIE that we're told, that it's the same thing as the Canonized Latin Mass: IT'S NOT THE SAME THING! It's a different religion, and it's FRANKLY REPULSIVE to God and therefore to Our Lady. She came at Fatima to warn us in the Third Secret about the coming menace of the Novus Ordo.

    But we did not hear the secret because such moles as then Father Ratzinger and his lodge brothers had managed to keep it hidden. But Her Words Shall Not Be Hidden Forever. You might be able to slow them down, but they shall not be overcome. It's like trying to stop a tsunami. At some point, sand bags just don't hack it.

    Teach the children!

    The children are our future. Teach them the ways of Our Blessed Mother.
    Teach them to love the Mother of God.

    Teach the children!
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  • ...About the tsunami analogy:

    It's true, a retaining wall, a seawall, tall enough, could stop a tsunami. But there are two problems with that plan:

    1) How tall is tall enough? Until the tsunami comes, you don't know how tall your wall will have to be, and when the flood comes, it's too late to build a wall. So you can pick a number, based on historical record, say, "Let's build it 48 feet tall."

    2) Can you imagine a 48-foot-tall wall going around all the prime beachfront properties of a coastal community that's surrounded by mountains? Unless you get a room on the 6th floor, you won't get a view of the ocean!

    Therefore, nobody's going to build a tall seawall to protect against a tsunami, because nobody would come to the resort and stay there when they would be looking at the back side of a wall instead of the ocean, and to get to the ocean they'd have to pass through a water tight system of doors, then be stuck between the ocean and the 48-foot wall the whole time they're at the water's edge. Forget it. It's a losing proposition.

    And Modernists are not going to build up defenses against the words of Our Lady, either, because it would defeat the whole attraction that they're trying to promote in the first place. And we can know that by way of analogy, without even knowing what the words of the Third Secret are.
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: Malleus 01
    You have touched on a very profound truth.
    That this battle will be won or lost in the Spiritual Realm.  
    If we are, in our lifetime, to see a reversal of modernism
    - then it will come when enough Catholics have had enough [of these evils] to amend their lives and to return to the True Tridentine Latin Mass and the Sacraments
    - the Holy Rosary
    - the Public Processions
    - and to Stand up to immorality because of the effect it has on our Society and on our youth.

    We will see Catholics in Corpus Christi Processions throughout this country.
    We will see a return to Traditional Worship.
    But just as importantly
    - we need Catholics to say their morning offerings
    - their noon and evening prayers, their family Holy Rosaries
    - we need fastings and penances and sacrifice and all sufferings of the day offered in reparation for sin.  
    We need the youth to understand the gravity of Sin and its consequences.
    We need to learn temperance and mortification.

    This is where the battle will be won or lost.
    Right now - we are losing that battle.

    Pax





    This has been the message that Our Lady has been bringing to us for 400 years in apparitions. You know, it's the same thing she told the Apostles during their lifetimes. It's what she is all about, and it's the reason the devil hates her so, because what she has to tell us, if we would only listen and believe it, would make us so much more difficult for the devil to win for his infernal purpose.

    She tried to warn us at Fatima, that in 1960 her secret would be clearer then, because that's when the unclean spirit of Vatican II would raise its demonic head.

    Whenever She appeared, such as Tepeyac Hill in Mexico City, or at La Salette, France, or Fatima, Portugal, She always asked the visionaries to have a chapel built on that spot. A chapel is where the Canonized Latin Mass would be offered, the mystical Sacrifice of Her Son. Did She ever ask that the nefarious Novus Ordo liturgy be used?? NO! NEVER! And it is the BIG LIE that we're told, that it's the same thing as the Canonized Latin Mass: IT'S NOT THE SAME THING! It's a different religion, and it's FRANKLY REPULSIVE to God and therefore to Our Lady. She came at Fatima to warn us in the Third Secret about the coming menace of the Novus Ordo.

    But we did not hear the secret because such moles as then Father Ratzinger and his lodge brothers had managed to keep it hidden. But Her Words Shall Not Be Hidden Forever. You might be able to slow them down, but they shall not be overcome. It's like trying to stop a tsunami. At some point, sand bags just don't hack it.

    Teach the children!

    The children are our future. Teach them the ways of Our Blessed Mother.
    Teach them to love the Mother of God.

    Teach the children!


    Amen - I am with you on all of this

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    « Reply #9 on: June 12, 2012, 01:41:42 PM »
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  • You are right on when you explain, the enemy makes a problem and then says they have the solution. But Christ the King was moved because:  The Protestants(?) had that day set in place for their overcoming the catholic and so Christ the King was put on their day!  It's like the cath. fight the muslim and the one who wins builds on top or the take over.  But there is a definite reason, some liberty day for the protestants.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 12, 2012, 01:45:38 PM »
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  • Precious Blood, St. Gaspar and I feel the removal of this feast has it reasons as well. Fr. Faber wrote of the Precious Blood and my Great-great uncle was a priest of the Precious Blood at St. Charles Seminary Carthgenia, OH.  Their mission was to speak of the Precious Blood in All the sacraments.  


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    « Reply #11 on: June 12, 2012, 08:07:35 PM »
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  • The Precious Blood is one of my favorite devotions.

    The Litany is extremely beautiful.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 13, 2012, 12:57:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: songbird
    You are right on when you explain, the enemy makes a problem and then says they have the solution. But Christ the King was moved because:  The Protestants(?) had that day set in place for their overcoming the catholic and so Christ the King was put on their day!  It's like the cath. fight the muslim and the one who wins builds on top or the take over.  But there is a definite reason, some liberty day for the protestants.


    I think I get what you're saying, songbird, that the Feast of Christ the King was placed at the end of October, and the Lutherans already were having their hootenany on October 31st, "reformation day." (gag me!)

    I always get a kick out of seeing how the kids running around in Halloween costumes gets the Lutheran pastors upset, because they're having such a hard time getting any attention on their stupid "holiday." Imagine the frustration of trying to convince anyone that the 95 theses of Luther wasn't a Halloween prank!

                                                                                      :jester:

    I've never heard any discussion about the conflict, but it wouldn't be a surprise if some back-room negotiations have transpired whereby the Lutherans demanded a concession on that if they are going to pretend to be friendly or whatever.  

    But the Feast of Christ the King was not exactly placed on that day. It was on the last Sunday of October, which falls on the 31st only twice in a decade, more or less. It won't happen again until 2021, and it has only been so in 2010, 2004 and 1999. That's 4 times in 22 years.

    I suspect that the Church had no regard for the sentiments of heretic Lutherans when the last day of October was chosen for Christ the King. That was when the Vatican still had a modicuм of sanity on board! That was the slot because that is the appropriate place in the life of the Church for this feast day: the week preceding All Saints' Day and the Feast of All Souls! Who cares about Lutherans??? They didn't care about Catholics, or the TRUE CHURCH, so it's their problem!

    But what you say may be correct, for it is typical of false ecuмenism to bow and scrape to false religions so they can "feel good" in the short term, and meanwhile Catholics can toss their spiritual integrity into the nearest ash can. Typical Modernism.

    I know a very talented choir director who grew up in the Traditional Latin Mass liturgy, but it's been so long for him that every year when I say we're rehearsing for Christ the King next week, he's shocked: "Christ the King!? You've still got another month to go! What's the hurry?" And I have to explain that we still keep the feast day that he should recall from his youth, in October, and he mumbles something inaudible and changes the topic. It's really sad to see this.

    In just two generations, we see Catholics who have lost the Catholic memory of our forefathers and our roots.
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