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Re: Why stay Catholic?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2025, 04:30:34 PM »
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  • No it's prideful to think that you know if other people are going to hell or not. It's prideful to say everything outside of Catholicism is wrong. Mark9, 40 says "For he that is not against us is on our part" as well as not everyone who says they are a Christian really is one. So please lay down your pride, I want to say as humble as possible bc I myself am the most prideful. God bless you, keep searching for truth, Amen
    Hi Kastoast,

    Non-Catholics, even though they may claim to follow Christ, cannot properly be called "Christian" because they, in varying degrees, reject Christ's doctrine and therefore reject Him, and do not know Him.

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    John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my words. And the word which you have heard is not mine; but the Father's who sent me.

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    Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    7:22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?
    7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

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    2 John 1:9 Whosoever revolteth and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son.

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    Let them hear Lactantius crying out: “The Catholic Church is alone in keeping the true worship. This is the fount of truth, this the house of Faith, this the temple of God: if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation. Let none delude himself with obstinate wrangling. For life and salvation are here concerned, which will be lost and entirely destroyed, unless their interests are carefully and assiduously kept in mind.”

    Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos


    The Catholic Church teaches that there is no salvation outside of Her.

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    There is indeed one universal church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.
     
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    Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins

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    Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.


    Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam
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    [The Church] firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.

    Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino



    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #16 on: September 29, 2025, 04:31:09 PM »
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  • No it's prideful to think that you know if other people are going to hell or not. It's prideful to say everything outside of Catholicism is wrong. Mark9, 40 says "For he that is not against us is on our part" as well as not everyone who says they are a Christian really is one. So please lay down your pride, I want to say as humble as possible bc I myself am the most prideful. God bless you, keep searching for truth, Amen
    Be sure to not interpret scripture yourself without checking what the Church teaches, that is part of scripture as well. Any "Christian" against Catholicism, and any "Catholic" against the Tradition of Catholicism is against us, though any sin involved is variable depending on their intentions and ignorance.

    Holding onto the Catholic faith will be rewarded with the answers you seek. How else can your faith be tried if there is no real temptation to doubt? Even the saints have been known to have serious temptations against the faith, but they held on where so many jump off.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"


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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #17 on: September 29, 2025, 04:52:29 PM »
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  • Because it is the only faith that saves. Without it I am certainly damned.

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #18 on: September 29, 2025, 05:35:38 PM »
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  • I wanted to ask: If the catholic church is becoming more worldly, why stay Catholic? Why should I not convert to orthodoxy, since they don't change things up and have still many otherworldly Saints like Saint Paisios and Fr. Seraphim Rose (soon to be saint) which are just different to those in our church?
    The premise of the question is invalid.  The Catholic Church is not "becoming more worldly".  The people who have usurped the buildings and offices of the Church are completely worldly and worship man.  The Catholic Church is in the catacombs.  People keeping the faith, the clergy living on shoestrings and saying Mass and providing the sacraments in tiny chapels all over the world are not the people "becoming more worldly".

     

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #19 on: September 29, 2025, 05:52:48 PM »
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  • St. John chapter 6

    66 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.  67 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.  68 Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?  69 And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life  [John 6:69]  70 And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.


    St. Matthew chapter 8

    24 And behold a great tempest arose in the sea, so that the boat was covered with waves, but he was asleep.  25 And they came to him, and awaked him, saying: Lord, save us, we perish 26 And Jesus saith to them: Why are you fearful, O ye of little faith? Then rising up he commanded the winds, and the sea, and there came a great calm.

    Jesus Christ founded ONE Church: the Holy Catholic Church. All other "churches", whatever human things they have going for them, are not from God and cannot save.

    Despite many GenZ and Gen Alpha being attracted to Orthodoxy due to its "masculinity", in the end it's pretty worthless if it's schismatic and can't save our souls. I recommend you get off 4chan.
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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #20 on: September 29, 2025, 05:57:36 PM »
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  • I wanted to ask: If the catholic church is becoming more worldly, why stay Catholic? Why should I not convert to orthodoxy, since they don't change things up and have still many otherworldly Saints like Saint Paisios and Fr. Seraphim Rose (soon to be saint) which are just different to those in our church?

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #21 on: September 29, 2025, 06:00:41 PM »
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  • No it's prideful to think that you know if other people are going to hell or not. It's prideful to say everything outside of Catholicism is wrong. Mark9, 40 says "For he that is not against us is on our part" as well as not everyone who says they are a Christian really is one. So please lay down your pride, I want to say as humble as possible bc I myself am the most prideful. God bless you, keep searching for truth, Amen
    Under your logic, would it be prideful to say “everything outside of Christianity is wrong“ ? 

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #22 on: September 29, 2025, 06:20:26 PM »
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  • What I was trying to say earlier was the true Catholic Church would not have anything to do with the United Nations.  It is satanic organization that rejects God.  The problem these people think they are gods and goddesses.

    We are the Church under God 
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #23 on: September 29, 2025, 07:28:26 PM »
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  • The premise of the question is invalid.  The Catholic Church is not "becoming more worldly".  The people who have usurped the buildings and offices of the Church are completely worldly and worship man.  The Catholic Church is in the catacombs.  People keeping the faith, the clergy living on shoestrings and saying Mass and providing the sacraments in tiny chapels all over the world are not the people "becoming more worldly".

     
    Isn't that what Bishop Williamson said, that it's becoming the religion of man not of God? I mean if the "new faith" after Vatikan 2 is corrupted then isn't now 90% of Catholic believers doomed? Like almost nobody really knows or cares about SSPX or Traditionalism bc the entry is so hidden.

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #24 on: September 29, 2025, 07:32:24 PM »
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  • St. John chapter 6

    66 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.  67 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.  68 Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?  69 And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life  [John 6:69]  70 And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.


    St. Matthew chapter 8

    24 And behold a great tempest arose in the sea, so that the boat was covered with waves, but he was asleep.  25 And they came to him, and awaked him, saying: Lord, save us, we perish 26 And Jesus saith to them: Why are you fearful, O ye of little faith? Then rising up he commanded the winds, and the sea, and there came a great calm.

    Jesus Christ founded ONE Church: the Holy Catholic Church. All other "churches", whatever human things they have going for them, are not from God and cannot save.

    Despite many GenZ and Gen Alpha being attracted to Orthodoxy due to its "masculinity", in the end it's pretty worthless if it's schismatic and can't save our souls. I recommend you get off 4chan.
    But can non Traditionalists/SSPX latin mass enjoyers be safed? And I came from your Youtube Channel, the conferenceof Bishop Williamson on Vatican 2. (Almost) Nobody my age is using 4chan. 

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #25 on: September 29, 2025, 07:37:05 PM »
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  • Under your logic, would it be prideful to say “everything outside of Christianity is wrong“ ?
    Is Judaism or Islam with us, and not against us? Does the тαℓмυd say Jesus is God? Did Mohammed treat Christians like his brothers? If you say yes, then my logic was wrong. But if the answer is no, then my statement stands true.


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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #26 on: September 29, 2025, 08:11:39 PM »
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  • I wanted to ask: If the catholic church is becoming more worldly, why stay Catholic? Why should I not convert to orthodoxy, since they don't change things up and have still many otherworldly Saints like Saint Paisios and Fr. Seraphim Rose (soon to be saint) which are just different to those in our church?
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    Our Lord founded one Church, which is founded on Peter. There is only one true Church. You cannot be saved in any other religion besides that one, since that is the only one that God gave us when He was on earth.

    The Church itself is not worldly. It condemns the world, as Our Lord did. The presence of worldly people in the Church is not an argument against it. It is just evidence that not everyone who belongs to the true Church really follows what it teaches.

    Now, you have to be sure you belong to the true Church, the one that teaches what Christ taught. The huge institution that calls itself the Catholic Church today does not teach what Christ taught, and therefore is not the Catholic Church. The Church continues today in people who believe in an follow what the Catholic Church taught before the Second Vatican Council in the sixties.

    The orthodox left the Catholic Church many centuries ago and cannot lead anyone to heaven.

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #27 on: September 29, 2025, 09:13:58 PM »
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  • Isn't that what Bishop Williamson said, that it's becoming the religion of man not of God? I mean if the "new faith" after Vatikan 2 is corrupted then isn't now 90% of Catholic believers doomed? Like almost nobody really knows or cares about SSPX or Traditionalism bc the entry is so hidden.
    I'm sure if you were looking at the handful of Catholics on Pentecost or the small pockets in cities all over the world during the early Church, you'd complain that it's so insignificant that nobody cares. We are living in the great apostasy.

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #28 on: September 29, 2025, 09:21:49 PM »
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  • No it's prideful to think that you know if other people are going to hell or not. It's prideful to say everything outside of Catholicism is wrong. Mark9, 40 says "For he that is not against us is on our part" as well as not everyone who says they are a Christian really is one. So please lay down your pride, I want to say as humble as possible bc I myself am the most prideful. God bless you, keep searching for truth, Amen
    I already have the truth, it's Roman Catholicism. And yes, you are quite prideful, joining the Orthodox who are the definition of "non serviam," it is the religion of pride. They refuse to serve the authority that Christ established and want to create their own 16 or 17 "autocephalous" churches because they lack humility and submission to Christ. 


    And in regards to me saying I know who's going to hell, I believe in Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus because it's what Christ told us. You can't get to heaven joining a false religion.

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    Re: Why stay Catholic?
    « Reply #29 on: September 29, 2025, 10:32:16 PM »
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    Our Lord founded one Church, which is founded on Peter. There is only one true Church. You cannot be saved in any other religion besides that one, since that is the only one that God gave us when He was on earth.

    The Church itself is not worldly. ...

    The orthodox left the Catholic Church many centuries ago and cannot lead anyone to heaven.
    Just after Pope Leo was elected pope, regular Catholics started going to the Orthodox churches, ...something had to be better than N.O. Church. Then Fr S (?). in France discussed this in a video... "Hey everybody! You can't attend those rites!! They are illicit, period."
    Aaannd, practically speaking  you probably will be rejected re:  Russian O. anyway.
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    "...For example, my own experience of the Orthodox Church is one of constant rejection. Thus, in 1974, a lay member of the Church Outside of Russia (COORF) told me that speaking Russian was not enough, that "only Russians could enter," and that I "did not have Russian blood" and therefore could not become Orthodox in their Church. This was repeated to me in 1983 by a COORF clergyman, who told me, an Orthodox layman, to leave. Although I had been Orthodox for eight years and had studied at an Orthodox Theological Institute, "I did not have a Russian last name." In 1992, having become a COORF priest, I experienced the third rejection. I may well be a COORF priest and have been in the clergy for eight years, but I was not welcome because I "was not of the right blood."  That is why, for 25 years, since I was ordained a reader, like others, I have had to waste my time and energy struggling to earn money to live by exercising a secular profession..."
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