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Offline Stubborn

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What if the Missionary WONT Baptize?
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2012, 04:42:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: LordPhan
    Feeney was excommunicated by Pope Pius XII and Cardinal Ottiavani, his excommunication was 'lifted' by Pope Paul VI in the spirit of ecuмanism.

    Anyone who denies Baptism of Desire, denies the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas, 2000 years of Church teaching, the Catechism of Pope St. Pius V, the Catechism of the Summa, and the teachings of the all the Popes and Saints.



    aaahhhhh, but they don't deny these words of Our Lord .....unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.


    I know I know -  Trent infallibly declares .........And  this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration or the desire thereof. - - - - - no need to finish off the canon - BODers always stop right there - don't they?
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    « Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 06:11:24 PM »
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    • the desire thereof.
    These are the key words from the Council of Trent.
    To be saved, one has to have water baptism, or the DESIRE for it!
    Couldnt be more plain than that.  This is what the church teaches!
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    « Reply #17 on: March 01, 2012, 12:16:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Emerentiana
    the desire thereof.
    These are the key words from the Council of Trent.
    To be saved, one has to have water baptism, or the DESIRE for it!
    Couldnt be more plain than that.  This is what the church teaches!


    Not sure if you could be more wrong ha ha!

    Please use your reasoning whilst applying it in context with the last part of the canon - - - -  and explain. Thanks!

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    « Reply #18 on: March 01, 2012, 12:44:23 PM »
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    • Emerentiana, I know you're intelligent enough to save your breath (fingers from typing) and not let the Feeneites drag us into yet another Fenney-Poop-Storm.

    Stubborn- please reference the 1000's of other posts on this subject. If you don't know how to search for them, let me know, and I'll show you. If you're looking for a debate... well I can't, and hope no one else will, help you.
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    « Reply #19 on: March 01, 2012, 02:49:48 PM »
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    Emerentiana, I know you're intelligent enough to save your breath (fingers from typing) and not let the Feeneites drag us into yet another Fenney-Poop-Storm.

    Stubborn- please reference the 1000's of other posts on this subject. If you don't know how to search for them, let me know, and I'll show you. If you're looking for a debate... well I can't, and hope no one else will, help you.


    Thanks for your advice, Rea.  I have commented several times stating Im so tired of this subject. However, it cant seem to rest.
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    « Reply #20 on: March 01, 2012, 05:02:35 PM »
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    Emerentiana, I know you're intelligent enough to save your breath (fingers from typing) and not let the Feeneites drag us into yet another Fenney-Poop-Storm.

    Stubborn- please reference the 1000's of other posts on this subject. If you don't know how to search for them, let me know, and I'll show you. If you're looking for a debate... well I can't, and hope no one else will, help you.


    Thanks for your advice, Rea.  I have commented several times stating Im so tired of this subject. However, it cant seem to rest.


    It's not a trick question but I don't feel much like debating this so I'll just leave it with the complete canon - far as BODers are concerned..........

    And  this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration or the desire thereof.  
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    « Reply #21 on: March 01, 2012, 05:59:05 PM »
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    • Us BODers are Catholics, following what the church has always taught.  End of story.
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    « Reply #22 on: March 02, 2012, 05:36:06 AM »
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    Us BODers are Catholics, following what the church has always taught.  End of story.


    Well, I was just affording you the opportunity to explain how three words define BOD while actually reading the entire canon - instead of cutting off the part after those three words.

    I mean c'mon, you gotta admit that by stopping short like that, well, it's just not fair and it doesn't give those darned old doubting Feeneyites much of a chance.

      :kick-can:

    And  this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration or the desire thereof.

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