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Offline Max

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« on: October 11, 2011, 03:16:21 PM »
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  • I have been having a difficult time coping with the conflict that naturally arises when you consider yourself a Traditional Catholic faithful to the Pope and the Magisterium of the Church.

    This blog spoke directly to me and voiced what I had been thinking and feeling, far better than I could have done.  It gave me a lot of peace.  Maybe someone else will find it helpful.


    http://thesensiblebond.blogspot.com/p/why-i-left-sspx-milieu.html


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 03:44:47 PM »
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  • I can't consider myself loyal to Benedict until he starts upholding Traditional Dogma, rather than the Vatican II "dogmas". Until then, I can't be loyal to him.

    You want the SSPX to get a deal done with him, I on the other hand will withdraw my status as an SSPXer if Bishop Fellay accepts that preamble.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 03:55:22 PM »
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  • The writer of that article sounds like from the same twisted mentality camp as this pro-life to pro-choice person:


    http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2007/12/18/changing-hearts-from-pro-life-to-pro-choice



    Are you serious , Max? You need to stop posting garbage on this forum. I got halfway through it, then started to notice all the little stabs at traditionalism and sophistry pop up here and there, before I realized that the article was about someone leaving SSPX and going to Novus Ordo. Unreal, the acrobatics and pains one must put themselves through to do that. The human respect probably drove him all the way.



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    « Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 03:58:16 PM »
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    Still, it does mean the SSPX must renounce privatised ecclesial thought, autonomous governance, and at the very least confess the Catholic character of the reformed missal (they do not have to celebrate it!). Only then can their voice acquire the authentic ecclesial character which will make them persuasive witnesses of those things they rightly remind the rest of the Church about.



    Oh, brother! The Church needs to be taught tradition now? Your soul is in jeopardy, Max. Come to your senses at once before its too late.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 04:03:04 PM »
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  • I actually got excited when I saw this posted because I THOUGHT it was going to be a sedevacantist post. Truly sickening when its Novus Ordo.

    Let me remind you Max about this great apostasy in case you forgot:

    -Benedict XVI openly teaches heresey. The guy openly praises Matin Luther. The guy openly praises eastern schismatics. The guy openly praises the Jєωs and Jєωιѕн theology. He is clearly a heretic. To deny it is to be a liar. Simple as that.

    Vatican II, the docuмents that is, openly praise buddhism and hinduism which are products of the devil.

    Cmon Max.


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 04:11:34 PM »
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  • Well said, PIO and CuriousCatholic. Max is yet another brainwashed victim of Vatican II and its heresy. What is with this crap: "Still, it does mean the SSPX must renounce privatised ecclesial thought, autonomous governance, and at the very least confess the Catholic character of the reformed missal". Just more of the garbage you'd expect from the Bogus Ordo. Every time I read something like this, it makes me more and more glad I stopped going to the NO.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 04:15:58 PM »
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  • I'm still just sitting at my computer, shaking my head in disbelief. I too started reading it with the pretense of a sedevacantism-related post, but was rudely awakened once I saw the article writer gravitate towards desecrating Tradition, doing the Modernist mambo on top of the graves of the saints of the Church, and then bowing his head in submission to the pseudo-papacy in Rome when someone questioned him in an intimidating tone...

    " Are you loyal to the Pope and to the Church?!??! [Vatican II church]" " Uhh uhh, yes sir. Yes sir I am. Please don't hurt me. I'm with you and the Church." Foolishness and denial of Christ.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2011, 04:22:48 PM »
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  • The thought of it being a sedevacantist article didn't even cross my mind, because the minute Max said he was loyal to Benedict (something he's already made clear numerous times), I knew it was going to be something stupid. And sure enough, an article that bows down to Vatican II.

    Max, I think you need to understand the fallacy of that article. Whoever wrote that is saying that the Society is engulfed in their own private thinking that Vatican II is not Traditional, when in reality the truth is right there in front of your face! Who changed? Did Archbishop LeFebvre and the Society change, or did they keep Tradition while Rome changed everything? You Novus Ordites have the mistaken idea that Tradition can change with each Pope. Rather, Tradition NEVER can change.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 06:43:39 PM »
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  • Max, I can actually appreciate the fact that you see the need to be consistent; if Benedict is the POpe, you should submit to him.

    However it is gravely manifest that he is a blasphemous heretic who hides his heresies in the bookends of "orthodoxy" which is further complicated by the fact that his "orthodoxy" consists of gobbledygook that conservative Novus Ordites consider "wisdom."

    It is worth calling to mind the Papal coronation oath that JPI JPII and BENNY have REFUSED to take: It's like they know in the back of their mind that they have no legitimate ministry in the church:

    Might I call to mind the PAPAL CORONATION OATH, taken by Paul VI:

    Since the "Popes" WILLFULLY have decided NOT to take the papal coronation oath, we may indeed WONDER if they intend to do anything contained in that oath at all:

    "I vow to change nothing of the received Tradition, and nothing thereof I have found before me guarded by my God-pleasing predecessors, to encroach upon, to alter, or to permit any innovation therein;

    "To the contrary: with glowing affection as her truly faithful student and successor, to safeguard reverently the passed-on good, with my whole strength and utmost effort;

    "To cleanse all that is in contradiction to the canonical order, should such appear; to guard the Holy Canons and Decrees of our Popes as if they were the divine ordinance of Heaven, because I am conscious of Thee, whose place I take through the Grace of God, whose Vicarship I possess with Thy support, being subject to severest accounting before Thy Divine Tribunal over all that I shall confess;

    "I swear to God Almighty and the Savior Jesus Christ that I will keep whatever has been revealed through Christ and His Successors and whatever the first councils and my predecessors have defined and declared.

    "I will keep without sacrifice to itself the discipline and the rite of the Church. I will put outside the Church whoever dares to go against this oath, may it be somebody else or I.

    "If I should undertake to act in anything of contrary sense, or should permit that it will be executed, Thou willst not be merciful to me on the dreadful Day of Divine Justice.

    "Accordingly, without exclusion, We subject to severest excommunication anyone -- be it Ourselves or be it another -- who would dare to undertake anything new in contradiction to this constituted evangelic Tradition and the purity of the orthodox Faith and the Christian religion, or would seek to change anything by his opposing efforts, or would agree with those who undertake such a blasphemous venture." Papal Coronation Oath:  Liber Diurnus Romanorum Pontificuм, P.L. 105, S 54.

    It could be very easily argued, that if Paul VI were a valid Pope, he violated this oath, which means he EXCOMMUNICATED HIMSELF upon his approval and close of the vatican council. Therefore his succesors are not real Popes.

    By his actions, including the signing into action the second Vatican Council which taught both error and heresy and betrayed the Catholic Faith, Paul VI has IN THE SIGHT OF GOD EXCOMMUNICATED HIMSELF from the Church. Therefore he has no authority, he is fully excommunicate, and his successors are anti-popes; for he was neither formally deposed, nor did he rescind his decrees, ESPECIALLY Lumen Gentium which re-defined the nature of the Church and therefore the Roman Pontificate.

    Anathema sit.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila

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    « Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 06:58:37 PM »
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  • I don't know if anyone comes to this forum except the exact same cast of characters who seem to show up on every thread; a cast which I highly suspect is comprised of one.

    The one seems to be a person with an anti-Catholic agenda who is not a Catholic himself.  The one also seems to be very juvenile and uninformed.

    That is my observation.  

    If anyone DOES come here to try to make some sense in their own mind about what's going on, I hope that the blog I suggested helps you clarify your own thinking.   It helped me.  

    The blogger claims that he reprinted it because he was told by several other people that it helped them.

    The blogger writes very well.  He seems intelligent and knowledgeable.  He claims that he has translated several books for the SSPX, and he provides the titles.  One of the books he translated is an autobiography of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    His observations about SSPX match mine exactly.  

    I felt far less conflicted, and I also felt validated when I read what he wrote.

    My hope is that those with somewhat of an open mind and a basic understanding of Catholic theology and doctrine, that leaves most of the respondants here out, will find it helpful.  



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    « Reply #10 on: October 11, 2011, 07:15:33 PM »
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  • So the Fact that the last 3 "Popes" have refused to vow to uphold tradition means nothing to you?

    That is not a Catholic attitude.

    And I only have ONE name on this Forum.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


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    « Reply #11 on: October 11, 2011, 07:25:26 PM »
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    I felt far less conflicted, and I also felt validated when I read what he wrote.


    I hope you have more than feelings of validation and less feelings of confliction to go on in making this decision. These feelings can mean anything including that you've given into temptation and the devil no longer has need to torment you. That can give a certain false or superficial sense of "peace".

    I will not read that blog but I will say that you are starting out all wrong thinking that the SSPX is not loyal to the Pope. With such a false starting point, there is no hope for anything but a false conclusion as well.


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    « Reply #12 on: October 11, 2011, 07:34:08 PM »
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  • Fr. Ratzinger could be wearing a turbin performing cartwheels in St. Peter's square holding a menorah in one hand and a condom on the other while singing amazing grace and neo-catholics would claim:

    -The laundry facilities in the vatican broke and the only thing in the closet was the turbin. Better a turbin than he be naked right?

    -The cartwheels show how he isn't afraid to "get loose" just because he is the pope. This pope is actually fun.

    -The menorah isn't being used to promote judaism. It was simply the only available candle he could find at night. Would you want the pope to be lost in the darkness?

    -The condom was to be used as a birthday balloon

    -Amazing grace, while it probably shouldn't be said during mass, is perfectly acceptable to say outside mass. Quit being so darn rigid!!

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    « Reply #13 on: October 11, 2011, 07:39:19 PM »
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  • Is it ok to say condom on this site? I dont want to scandalize anyone.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 07:47:52 PM »
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    Fr. Ratzinger could be wearing a turbin performing cartwheels in St. Peter's square holding a menorah in one hand while singing amazing grace and neo-catholics would claim:

    -The laundry facilities in the vatican broke and the only thing in the closet was the turbin. Better a turbin than he be naked right?

    -The cartwheels show how he isn't afraid to "get loose" just because he is the pope. This pope is actually fun.

    -The menorah isn't being used to promote judaism. It was simply the only available candle he could find at night. Would you want the pope to be lost in the darkness?

    -Amazing grace, while it probably shouldn't be said during mass, is perfectly acceptable to say outside mass. Quit being so darn rigid!!