Author Topic: Why I finally Caved (Read 22606 times)

Cantarella · « **Reply #90 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:12:53 AM »

Just wanted to say here that I cannot longer defend a dogmatic "sedeplenist" position in good conscience and that I have concluded that the SSPX position is the most schismatic one of ALL. The separatist R&R position is a failure. I think Archbishop Lefebvre (without intending so) may have done more bad to good in the resistance to Vatican II and Modernism by creating a type of false traditional Catholic movement which promotes separatism from the hierarchy it still recognizes as such.

After months of studying and praying about it I have grown very fond of the sedeprivationist position (Cassiciacuм Thesis) I really think there is a lot of value in the Fr. Des Lauries Thesis. This is just a personal opinion of course.

Alexandria · « **Reply #91 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:24:23 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

It's quite simple, everyone.

If the Church's Magisterium and Universal Discipline could ever go so badly off the rails that Catholics must sever communion with the hierarchy in order to preserve their faith and save their souls, the Church would have defected. ...

But that's where we are at today. I don't care what you do. You can hide yourself in a corner of the local novus ordo parish and wear earplugs while you pray the Rosary and read your St. Andrew's Missal, but the atmosphere itself will poison you. I know of that which I speak. Trust me.

As for the fssp and other indult places, just as bad. Talk about mass confusion. The pews are filled with more varieties of Catholics than a Chinese take-out menu.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #92 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:42:28 AM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Quote from: Ladislaus
It's quite simple, everyone.

If the Church's Magisterium and Universal Discipline could ever go so badly off the rails that Catholics must sever communion with the hierarchy in order to preserve their faith and save their souls, the Church would have defected. ...

But that's where we are at today. I don't care what you do. You can hide yourself in a corner of the local novus ordo parish and wear earplugs while you pray the Rosary and read your St. Andrew's Missal, but the atmosphere itself will poison you. I know of that which I speak. Trust me.

As for the fssp and other indult places, just as bad. Talk about mass confusion. The pews are filled with more varieties of Catholics than a Chinese take-out menu.

Keep in mind that objectively there is not a "variety" of Catholics from the perspective doctrine, from the perspective of faith, and in the Latin Rite from the perspective of worship and discipline.

We come up with the idea of a "variety" of Catholics because the Church has been usurped by apostate heretics and their followers. Once we get this we might be able to do something about it. The same thing is happening in the world. Nations no longer have sovereignty. The world and the Church is headed by the same zionist elite who want to control our money and our souls.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #93 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:48:50 AM »

Stubborn:

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It was not promulgated by the Church - always remember that the Church is Christ.

Circular reasoning. If you can get out of reality by say whatever is promulgated by the false Pope is not promulgated if the Benedict Center does not agree with it you do not have a Church.

The thinking is actually ridiculous. It makes a mockery of the papacy making it an op-ed where those under decide what is "promulgated" and what is not.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #94 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:49:55 AM »

Indefectibility of the Church
http://sedevacantist.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=994&sid=829eafa4c3a825bd57d6aeaec534c45b

I strongly urge those who really want a true understanding of the Church to read the links I have been providing in this thread.