Author Topic: Why I finally Caved (Read 21926 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #45 on:** June 20, 2016, 09:26:25 AM »

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Has anyone ever noticed that it is the sedevacantism that is feared the most of the enemies of God? The higher ups in the novus ordo are so afraid of sedevacantism as are those sitting on the fence.

I think the reason is the sedevacantist are unwilling to compromise the faith, and they know it.

Actually, I'm pretty sure fear has nothing to do with it, most likely their expression is showing they are in awe as to how the sedevacantists know with certainty, as if by Divine Revelation that there is no pope.

I am surprised at you, because you and your ilk are the ones that are so in earnest on the dogma of EENS yet, when your pope speaks of other religions as if they are good you stick a banana in your ear.

For me, it is the breaking of the First Commandment that with certain, Francis is NOT a true pope and I do believe that a doubtful pope is no pope so that rules out any other possibility at this time.

Jesus Christ is the head of His Church and He is guiding it. We are not orphans.

Well good - and yes, my ilk and I accept the dogma EENS as once, twice and thrice declared - that makes us and the popes who defined it feeneyites. What else is new? Now that you've professed with certainty the pope is not pope, is there another diversion or is this the only one?

Remember, I do not care if he is a true pope or not, but for safety's sake, will submit to him as pope if he ever wants us to do something that does not offend God.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #46 on:** June 20, 2016, 09:36:06 AM »

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Well good - and yes, my ilk and I accept the dogma EENS as once, twice and thrice declared - that makes us and the popes who defined it feeneyites. What else is new? Now that you've professed with certainty the pope is not pope, is there another diversion or is this the only one?

Remember, I do not care if he is a true pope or not, but for safety's sake, will submit to him as pope if he ever wants us to do something that does not offend God.

That is a monumental amount of caca stubborn. There should be allow against posting such nonsense on a Catholic forum.

Who decides what does or does not offend God if not the Pope? The SSPX. You are rock but upon some other rock that will come about in 1970 I will build my Church so stubborn can reassure himself that he is still Catholic. Or is the other REAL rock the Saint Benedict Center?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #47 on:** June 20, 2016, 10:30:30 AM »

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Has anyone ever noticed that it is the sedevacantism that is feared the most of the enemies of God? The higher ups in the novus ordo are so afraid of sedevacantism as are those sitting on the fence.

I think the reason is the sedevacantist are unwilling to compromise the faith, and they know it.

Actually, I'm pretty sure fear has nothing to do with it, most likely their expression is showing they are in awe as to how the sedevacantists know with certainty, as if by Divine Revelation that there is no pope.

I am surprised at you, because you and your ilk are the ones that are so in earnest on the dogma of EENS yet, when your pope speaks of other religions as if they are good you stick a banana in your ear.

For me, it is the breaking of the First Commandment that with certain, Francis is NOT a true pope and I do believe that a doubtful pope is no pope so that rules out any other possibility at this time.

Jesus Christ is the head of His Church and He is guiding it. We are not orphans.

Well good - and yes, my ilk and I accept the dogma EENS as once, twice and thrice declared - that makes us and the popes who defined it feeneyites. What else is new? Now that you've professed with certainty the pope is not pope, is there another diversion or is this the only one?

Remember, I do not care if he is a true pope or not, but for safety's sake, will submit to him as pope if he ever wants us to do something that does not offend God.

It only takes one serious diversion to put even a Catholic pope outside the Church, not to mention an infiltrator who was never Catholic to begin with.

I can only speak for myself but, in truth after you see it, (the serious diversion) you really don't want to waste your time seeking other heresies, just as you don't care, I don't care how far he will fall into the pit. The only time I even think of him is when I come to this forum and read from SSPX how horrible he is, their pope. I feel saddness when I think of the Blessed Mother and how she saw her Son suffering so, and so many such as the Conciliarists try to tear and destroy His Church apart, taking countless souls into the pit with them, those who had the Faith at one time and lost it. The Bible speaks of those who once had the Faith and left for a new faith, are possessed with seven devils. That is in the Bible. :scared2:

Strange too, how you say if and when he says something Catholic you will submit. Don't you think it odd that a True Catholic pope if and when he says something Catholic it hits the world news? Really! Why is everyone so surprised to hear what they perceive as a Catholic pope would dare to say something that even resembles the Catholic Church? That alone should at least give you a hint of what he really is!

Stubborn · « **Reply #48 on:** June 20, 2016, 10:42:57 AM »

I suppose if we weren't in a crisis I'd find it odd, but being as how in this crisis, the pope is a heretic - no, it does not surprise me. If he ever came out and wanted us to do something Catholic, now THAT would surprise me - and likely bring me joy.

But until that happens, I will remain the popes good servant, but God's first - how about you?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #49 on:** June 20, 2016, 10:54:57 AM »

How about whenever the devil acts like God? Are you his good servant at those times?

Stubborn · « **Reply #50 on:** June 20, 2016, 11:05:19 AM »

We are not bound to be subject to the devil - the dogma clearly decrees we must be subject to the pope for our hope of salvation.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #51 on:** June 20, 2016, 11:21:37 AM »

Francis represents the devil as do the other false Popes who worship in false religions and lead billions of souls into Hell. That is not the rock which Christ built His Church upon. The rock is not a subjective thing that you "follow" when you "think he is right". Absurdity on stilts. That makes you above the "Pope" as you are the one who decides what is right instead of him. Lay people do decide whether a Pope approved council, sacraments, mass, canon law or saints are legit or not. That is monumental nonsense. Can you imagine that happening with pre-V2 Popes?

The Holy Ghost prevents valid Popes from doing all they have done. The Holy Ghost is not preventing these apostates from erring. Why is that?

Stubborn · « **Reply #52 on:** June 20, 2016, 11:55:07 AM »

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Francis represents the devil as do the other false Popes who worship in false religions and lead billions of souls into Hell. That is not the rock which Christ built His Church upon. The rock is not a subjective thing that you "follow" when you "think he is right". Absurdity on stilts. That makes you above the "Pope" as you are the one who decides what is right instead of him. Lay people do decide whether a Pope approved council, sacraments, mass, canon law or saints are legit or not. That is monumental nonsense. Can you imagine that happening with pre-V2 Popes?

Same nonsensical theology at work again. It does not make me above the pope to know right from wrong, to do right and to avoid wrong - even when that means being disobedient to the pope. We are expected to know our faith or we cannot know God - all of this is true whether the heretic pope is a true pope or not.

If you do not know right from wrong, it's your own fault, not because of a heretic pope, and if you do not know your faith, it's your own fault, not because of a heretic pope. If you commit mortal sin because you were fooled into it, that is your own fault. Whatever fault lies with the pope, he will answer for himself, just as we all answer for ourselves.

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The Holy Ghost prevents valid Popes from doing all they have done. The Holy Ghost is not preventing these apostates from erring. Why is that?

Wrong. Here again you claim a sanctity and infallibility for the pope he does not posses, only God possesses.

“Peter has no need of our lies or flattery. Those who blindly and indiscriminately
defend every decision of the Supreme Pontiff are the very ones who do most to
undermine the authority of the Holy See - they destroy instead of strengthening
its foundations." - Bishop Melchior Cano O.P., a theologian of the Council of Trent.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #53 on:** June 20, 2016, 12:05:50 PM »

It is not you I'm trying to convince. You believe your own stuff. Those open to truth can find it if they like.

No one sets himself above a valid Pope and tells us whether what he says or implements is Catholic or not. Who is your Pope ultimately. Saint Benedict Center or Francis? Be honest.

Stubborn · « **Reply #54 on:** June 20, 2016, 12:55:49 PM »

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It is not you I'm trying to convince. You believe your own stuff. Those open to truth can find it if they like.

No one sets himself above a valid Pope and tells us whether what he says or implements is Catholic or not. Who is your Pope ultimately. Saint Benedict Center or Francis? Be honest.

I believe what the Church teaches - and aside from it's condemnation of, it most assuredly does not teach sedevacantism. Certainly we can at least agree on this.

What is with you and accusing people of setting themselves above a valid pope? - try to accept the truth that it is only the sedevacantists who do that.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #55 on:** June 20, 2016, 12:58:40 PM »

You won't answer the question. What living authority do you look to as a sure guide?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #56 on:** June 20, 2016, 01:12:30 PM »

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It is not you I'm trying to convince. You believe your own stuff. Those open to truth can find it if they like.

No one sets himself above a valid Pope and tells us whether what he says or implements is Catholic or not. Who is your Pope ultimately. Saint Benedict Center or Francis? Be honest.

I believe what the Church teaches - and aside from it's condemnation of, it most assuredly does not teach sedevacantism. Certainly we can at least agree on this.

What is with you and accusing people of setting themselves above a valid pope? - try to accept the truth that it is only the sedevacantists who do that.

You know what I think Stubborn? If you really believe Francis is a valid pope you better keep you negative writings about him out of your life, because to believe he is valid and speaking about him in such a manner might be at best adding centuries of Purgatory up for yourself. God says you are either for me or against me, to say the Church is a deceiver is a serious statement and that is what you say. Especially when these things are said over and over again by people who regard him as their pope. I do not know the mind of God but I do know He doesn't care for the hypocrite.

To say sedevacantism never existed is a lie, the Vatican even issued a stamp to commemorate it.

Stubborn · « **Reply #57 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:02:00 PM »

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You won't answer the question. What living authority do you look to as a sure guide?

Aside from the priest in the confessional you mean? I certainly don't look to the pope as a sure guide - to be nice, he is an embarrassment to all things Catholic.

Stubborn · « **Reply #58 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:06:05 PM »

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It is not you I'm trying to convince. You believe your own stuff. Those open to truth can find it if they like.

No one sets himself above a valid Pope and tells us whether what he says or implements is Catholic or not. Who is your Pope ultimately. Saint Benedict Center or Francis? Be honest.

I believe what the Church teaches - and aside from it's condemnation of, it most assuredly does not teach sedevacantism. Certainly we can at least agree on this.

What is with you and accusing people of setting themselves above a valid pope? - try to accept the truth that it is only the sedevacantists who do that.

You know what I think Stubborn? If you really believe Francis is a valid pope you better keep you negative writings about him out of your life, because to believe he is valid and speaking about him in such a manner might be at best adding centuries of Purgatory up for yourself. God says you are either for me or against me, to say the Church is a deceiver is a serious statement and that is what you say. Especially when these things are said over and over again by people who regard him as their pope. I do not know the mind of God but I do know He doesn't care for the hypocrite.

To say sedevacantism never existed is a lie, the Vatican even issued a stamp to commemorate it.

Again you equate the pope to God. Not sure if you even realize you do it, and not only you, nearly all sedes do that.

If the pope said you are either with me or against me, I would be forced to say I am against him because he is against God. There is only one God and FYI, the pope is not God.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #59 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:13:47 PM »

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Aside from the priest in the confessional you mean? I certainly don't look to the pope as a sure guide - to be nice, he is an embarrassment to all things Catholic.

Before V2 no one would say that about a Pope.

Can you honestly tell me where you got your thoughts on BOD and SV? Anyone else know? Is he a Saint Benedict Center guy?