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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2017, 05:58:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 09, 2017, 02:18:49 PM
    You seem to think that I'm required to accept the Pharisede definition of being subject to the Pope. Not gonna happen. I know you think that you're superior to all non-Sedes, but you're not.

    :jester:

    You are not subject to the current Pope. Therefore you deny the dogma. Simple.
    Simple.

    Yup.

    Window licking, short-bus riding, flat-earth believing, breeding siblings simple.
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #61 on: November 09, 2017, 06:01:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 09, 2017, 02:33:29 PM
    The dogma that we are required to be subject to the Pope doesn't not give a qualificaton of being able to choose as to whether or not a Pope is a true Pope. We aren't given a choice. The dogma says nothing about that at all. And the dogma does not refer to an interregnum.
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #62 on: November 09, 2017, 06:09:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freedom on November 09, 2017, 04:26:00 PM
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    What?  We should then, listen to women!??
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    Can you even go to the bathroom by yourself, without being guided!??
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    Just listen to HOLY MOTHER CHURCH.
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #63 on: November 09, 2017, 06:20:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on November 09, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
    Stubborn in drag; sleep hates me.
    That is so funny had to give in and give you a thumb up, in spite of!
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #64 on: November 10, 2017, 04:41:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Recusant Sede on November 09, 2017, 05:11:43 PM
    Stubborn, don’t forget that when Bergoglio dies will we be together in the same boat until the heretics elect a new heresiarch.
    Sorry RS, at first I was going to agree, but I'm afraid we'll remain in different boats even during that period of time, for I will be in the boat with other Catholics living during the period of sede vacante only until the next pope is elected, but you will still be a sedevacantist, floating away in your own boat along with DZ, Freedom, AES and other sedevacantists, none of whom want anything to do with being in the boat that I am in.

    Always remember, sedevacantists have no pope and they will never have a pope, nor do they have any means whatsoever of ever having a pope. Remember, the sedes have gone to great lengths to guarantee that there will never be any possibility of  them ever having a pope.

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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #65 on: November 10, 2017, 04:44:05 AM »
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    • Stubbstein's getting an early start on "Gefilite Friday".
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #66 on: November 10, 2017, 04:48:26 AM »
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    • ^^^^Peanut brain gallery.
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #67 on: November 10, 2017, 04:51:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 10, 2017, 04:48:26 AM
    ^^^^Peanut brain gallery.
    Self-hating no less; guess he's feeling a little snippy.

    Maybe the rabbi will kiss it and make it better.
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #68 on: November 10, 2017, 05:48:33 AM »
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    • This thread is a perfect example of a food fight. Except for like 3-4 postings, everything posted in the 5 pages after my OP has nothing to do with the OP. Someone mentions baptism of desire of the catechumen, which has nothing to do with the thread and another one about the sede position in general and  then from there starts a food fight about personal issues between the posters.

    My OP is not a big deal, but if the OP were a really  important teaching, it would have been totally obscured by the chaff that comes afterwards, ALL from unfocused  minds whether purposeful to obscure, or done unknowingly.

    Here’s my advice from years of experience, stay focused on the subject, ignore personal attacks against you. Do not respond to postings that have nothing to do with the subject of the OP. Do not respond to women who debate (No problem answering the ladies who ask questions sincerely). Some men debate like women, taking everything personal, do not let them get your goat, they are like children. Would you debate with a child?
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #69 on: November 10, 2017, 06:53:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 10, 2017, 05:48:33 AM
    This thread is a perfect example of a food fight. Except for like 3-4 postings, everything posted in the 5 pages after my OP has nothing to do with the OP. Someone mentions baptism of desire of the catechumen, which has nothing to do with the thread and another one about the sede position in general and  then from there starts a food fight about personal issues between the posters.

    My OP is not a big deal, but if the OP were a really  important teaching, it would have been totally obscured by the chaff that comes afterwards, ALL from unfocused  minds whether purposeful to obscure, or done unknowingly.

    Here’s my advice from years of experience, stay focused on the subject, ignore personal attacks against you. Do not respond to postings that have nothing to do with the subject of the OP. Do not respond to women who debate (No problem answering the ladies who ask questions sincerely). Some men debate like women, taking everything personal, do not let them get your goat, they are like children. Would you debate with a child?
    What did you expect man? The OP was why you don't do a thing. You said that thing. Done.

    Seriously, what did you expect? What did you want?

    Hey, here's a OP. "Why I don't eat Flan."

    "I don't like it"

    Well, super.

    But let's say you had an actual debate topic, kind of like CI is alleged to be for, but never will be.

    Without moderation, we're kidding ourselves, and you're having a very short and selective memory, or can we not find you throwing stones in your own glass house?

    Seriously, what was anyone supposed to say in response to you? What were you looking for?

    You don't want us to respond to women, or food fighting?

    You, from the OP ".their "theological analysis"..."

    YOU, start spraying and praying the rounds with things like that and then girly Jewgripe "why are we fighting?", "Oh, the foodfight!"

    You threw the first flipping tray, and then you bitch.

    Classic.

    Mr. Alinsky, is that you?
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #70 on: November 10, 2017, 07:17:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 06, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
    I have never pushed the sede position on anyone mainly because all the sede groups teach that anyone can be saved without baptism and Christ in any way shape or form. Same goes for the SSPX. If the sedes and SSPX came to the conclusion that say the dogmatic Athanasian Creed means the complete opposite of what it says by their "theological analysis" , how can I believe them on the sede position, since our current situation is unprecedented while EENS is likely the most dogmatically docuмented teaching in the Church?
    That is the subject. Possible discussions would have been:

    The sede group  I belong to does not teach salvation without belief in the Incarnation (Christ) and the Holy Trinity
    the SSPX is right, people can be saved in other religions, Abp. Lefevbre said so.
    One can be saved by Implicit desire for baptism by their belief in a God that rewards, implicitly they believe in Christ, which does not go against the Athanasian Creed.
    Our current sede situation is not unprecedented and it is as doctrinally defined as EENS
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #71 on: November 10, 2017, 07:46:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 10, 2017, 07:17:56 AM
    That is the subject. Possible discussions would have been:

    The sede group  I belong to does not teach salvation without belief in the Incarnation (Christ) and the Holy Trinity
    the SSPX is right, people can be saved in other religions, Abp. Lefevbre said so.
    One can be saved by Implicit desire for baptism by their belief in a God that rewards, implicitly they believe in Christ, which does not go against the Athanasian Creed.
    Our current sede situation is not unprecedented and it is as doctrinally defined as EENS
    Great, then if you want a less stupid thread, pick one, and frame it "yeah" or "nay", pro or con. 

    It'll still derail, but it'll be less muddy, easier to track, and instead of inclining responses towards chaos by introducing distinct, and so extraneous, things you'll have, one step at a time, exactly one point to be addressed, that isn't framed as "i prefer this", which is an invitation to "okay" or "whatever".

    You post it, you're framing it. If you don't want a certain tone, then don't set that tone. 

    Take too many big bites, and you end up with a pile of puke. Smallest bites, esp. where there is no moderation, is safer. 
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #72 on: November 10, 2017, 07:51:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 10, 2017, 04:41:55 AM
    Sorry RS, at first I was going to agree, but I'm afraid we'll remain in different boats even during that period of time, for I will be in the boat with other Catholics living during the period of sede vacante only until the next pope is elected, but you will still be a sedevacantist, floating away in your own boat along with DZ, Freedom, AES and other sedevacantists, none of whom want anything to do with being in the boat that I am in.

    Always remember, sedevacantists have no pope and they will never have a pope, nor do they have any means whatsoever of ever having a pope. Remember, the sedes have gone to great lengths to guarantee that there will never be any possibility of  them ever having a pope.
    You are wrong, again. If Bergoglio converted (100%) tomorrow, I WOULD accept him as a true pope due to the principle of acclamation.
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #73 on: November 10, 2017, 09:19:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Recusant Sede on November 10, 2017, 07:51:16 AM
    You are wrong, again. If Bergoglio converted (100%) tomorrow, I WOULD accept him as a true pope due to the principle of acclamation.
    As I said, the sedes have gone to great lengths to guarantee that there will never be any possibility of  them ever having a pope.

    You make the pope's election, and I mean any and every pope's election useless, that is, unless and until he / his conversion first passes your own private scrutinization, but that's not yet enough, because you then include that everyone else must agree with your scrutinization as an additional condition. That is what you are saying.

    Like I said, sedes can never, not ever have a pope - period, which is what keeps us in separate boats.  
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    Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
    « Reply #74 on: November 10, 2017, 09:50:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 10, 2017, 09:19:15 AM
    As I said, the sedes have gone to great lengths to guarantee that there will never be any possibility of  them ever having a pope.

    You make the pope's election, and I mean any and every pope's election useless, that is, unless and until he / his conversion first passes your own private scrutinization, but that's not yet enough, because you then include that everyone else must agree with your scrutinization as an additional condition. That is what you are saying.

    Like I said, sedes can never, not ever have a pope - period, which is what keeps us in separate boats.  
    Please don't put ALL Roman Catholics who profess the sedevacantist position in the same category as those who are united to the group that calls themselves Most Holy Family Monastery. 
    Read this small thread, you must have missed it:  https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/i-pray-i-live-long-enough-to-hear-these-words-repeated/
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