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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2017, 09:28:52 AM »
Quote from: Meg on November 09, 2017, 09:24:18 AM
The Pharisedes will be the downfall of the Trad movement, and the Resistance. It's only a matter of time.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2017, 09:38:42 AM »
Quote from: An even Seven on November 09, 2017, 09:32:03 AM
This.
Being sound and conclusive is for squares; I like my faith squishy and bendy, like my brain.
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Offline MyrnaM

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2017, 09:44:44 AM »
Quote from: Freedom on November 08, 2017, 02:44:11 PM
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Here is the best quote, its from the first century, it comes from the dogmatic Gospel of St. John.  Baptism of Blood and Baptism of desire are dead, its a lie!!
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John 1:12-13  [12] But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name. [13] Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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The blood refers to different meanings, see the Haydock interpretation.  Desires of the flesh meaning bloodline also not speaking of desire as you interpret the verse.  

We all believe the SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM is necessary, but in God's Mercy, He has provided those of FAITH AND DIVINE GRACE A MEANS OF SALVATION although not the Sacrament for there is only One Sacrament of Baptism but also the Mercy of God of which you deny.  
Ver. 10. He was in the world, &c. Many of the ancient interpreters understand this verse of Christ as God, who was in the world from its first creation, producing and governing all things: but the blind sinful world did not know and worship him. Others apply these words to the Son of God made man; whom even God's own chosen people, the Jews, at his coming, refused to receive and believe in him. (Witham)
Ver. 11. His own. This regards principally the Jews. Jesus came to them as into his own family, but they did not receive him. It may likewise be extended to the Gentiles, who had groaned so long a time in darkness, and only seemed to wait for the rising sun of justice to run to its light. They likewise did not receive him. These words, though apparently general, must be understood with restriction; as there were some, though comparatively few, of both Jews and Gentiles, who embraced the faith. (Calmet)

Ver. 12. He gave to them power to be made the adoptive sons of God, and heirs of the kingdom of heaven. They are made the children of God by believing and by a new spiritual birth in the sacrament of baptism, not of blood; (literally, not of bloods) not by the will, and desires of the flesh, not by the will of men, nor by human generation, as children are first born of their natural parents, but of God, by faith and divine grace. (Witham)
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Offline MyrnaM

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2017, 11:22:18 AM »
Quote from: Meg on November 09, 2017, 09:07:18 AM


Sedevacantism is an illness.
Meg you are so mistaken Catholics who insist on a POPE who continues to break DIVINE LAW, day after day as in the breaking of the FIRST COMMANDMENT is not only just an illness but a fatal illness. 
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Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2017, 12:33:16 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 06, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
... all the sede groups teach that anyone can be saved without baptism and Christ in any way shape or form.
I would be interested in a reference that demonstrates your allegation.
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