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I was reading parts of another thread here which related to Sede Vecantism and was thinking about the position. Is it wrong? No. As long as it remains an opinion, which for most it seems to, it can not be wrong for it is an opinion. But two opinions don't make a right, right? My personal opinion is that I'm blind, or at least naive, to think that these men aren't heretics. But thats an opinion as well.

However, I tend to see much effort put in to the previous 3 and/or 4 popes as an attempt to show why these men could not possibly hold the Seat of Peter. From extensive St. Bellarmine quotations, to archived docuмents and interviews, etc. But here's what I'm sort of thinking:

If everyone on Cathinfo was magically made a Cardinal today, then I could understand the reason for trying to proclaim wether or not these popes were indeed popes or not, and of course to proclaim all of their heresies. We would have the duty, I believe, to make it known to the world that these men, outside of a last minute conversion from God, were not Catholic, and most definitely did not act as Catholics much of the time.

However, we are not Cardinals. And as such, our only duty is to recognize what is and isn't Catholic and live a holy life attempt to get to Heaven (simplified I know). It is not within our power to proclaim what office these men did or did not hold as I hope future Cardinals will.



Why I believe they Pope(s) is a heretic, but do not call myself a Sede
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2011, 09:20:48 AM »
I personally think Benedict is more-so a modernist than a heretic. I agree that it is not the place of lay-people to judge the Pope, only under a circuмstance such as a Pope being a Freemason or something may we declare the Pope an anti-pope.


Offline gladius_veritatis

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Why I believe they Pope(s) is a heretic, but do not call myself a Sede
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2011, 11:13:39 AM »
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
I agree that it is not the place of lay-people to judge the Pope...


It is not the place of cardinals or a council to judge him, either.

Why I believe they Pope(s) is a heretic, but do not call myself a Sede
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2011, 12:14:15 PM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
I agree that it is not the place of lay-people to judge the Pope...


It is not the place of cardinals or a council to judge him, either.


Thanks for the correction GV- how about 'determine legitimacy of office"?

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Why I believe they Pope(s) is a heretic, but do not call myself a Sede
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2011, 12:34:13 PM »
Quote from: s2srea
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
I agree that it is not the place of lay-people to judge the Pope...


It is not the place of cardinals or a council to judge him, either.


Thanks for the correction GV- how about 'determine legitimacy of office"?


That doesn't work either, unless he's a public heretic.