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Offline kamalayka

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« on: December 10, 2009, 02:05:53 AM »
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  • Offline CM

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    « Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 03:22:36 AM »
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  • Offline Boniface

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    « Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 09:36:06 AM »
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  • There are plenty medjugorje charismatic forums for you to join.

     I really do not understand why new ager's and charismatics want to come here and post their theories in a traditional Cahtolic forum.  :scratchchin:

    Offline TheD

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    « Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 09:41:40 AM »
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  • I agree.  kamalayka, I highly doubt you are going to convince many people if any on this forum. I grew up with the V2 reforms since I was little and blindly followed them with out knowing.  I won't be going back.  I am a traditionalist now and forever more will be!

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    « Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 10:14:24 AM »
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  • Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 10:42:39 AM »
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  • I just perused your article CM and, though this wasn't the error under review, it makes a compelling case against implicit faith of any kind, that's for sure.

    The Pius X Catechism, I am gathering, was named that because he was the Pope at the time, right?  It was a generic reference to the man in the Chair of Peter.  If an American high school was named "Pius X High" it doesn't mean that Sarto agreed with everything taught there.

    Pius IX was considered liberal when he was elected.  Europe was shocked that he became Pope.  Freemasons also claim that he once was one of them, and I have proof from a book in the 19th century that he called the Freemason George Washington "a great man."  But as CM showed he only used ambiguous language, he didn't teach actual heresy.

    The part where kamalkaya said "Burn the heretic!" regarding Pius XII, as if the idea were ridiculous, was amusing, since he is one of the most egregious heretics in world history.  He is the first that I know of to take what I call the negative leap of faith -- that is to teach heresy from the Chair of Peter.  When he sinned, he sinned big; like Judas big.  

    How someone can do what he did without fear of God is beyond me.  But a great number of the heretics are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ because, since their lifestyle may lead them ( wrongly ) to despair of their salvation, they could easily develop seared consciences.  It is also be noted, as controversial as this may sound, that the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle bears a strong resemblance to what one imagines hell is like, without the fire at any rate -- in which case they would not fear going there.  Sadomasochism, pain, dungeons, etc.  This of course leads naturally towards a hatred of religion and a desire for revenge against the Catholic people who they attempt to take down by means of pernicious doctrine.

    I'm not saying Pacelli was ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ as I have no clue; just that rampant ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sin can help explain the defiance and viciousness of the usurpers of the Church.  As can Judaism, communism, just plain old liberalism, career ambition, etc.  Another explanation is that Pacelli made some kind of pact with Satan for fame.

    Have you seen the article on Wikipedia, CM, called "The Early life of Pope Pius XII"?  It quotes a school essay he wrote at 17.  Of course, what someone writes at an early age doesn't mean anything.  I'm not judging him based on this, but on his later life, on his actual, proven misdeeds, in the light of which these quotes become interesting.

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    * As a child I saw in long sleepless nights bad, ugly, black fairies dancing around me. Fairies, who are the enemies of good children and as these terrible faces appeared in front of me, changing into ever more terrible appearances, I put my head under the covers. One could say, that they were anticipations, what will happen later in life.

    * I will have enemies, no doubt. Some of my ideas, may be a little original. Some may be not totally correct in the opinion of others, although I am convinced of their goodness. Some of my ideas I will pronounce with a loud voice, and may be with a careless openness. All this will create enemies, hate and vengeance. But this will not hold me back, or, not to mention, give up.

        *Of course, everybody acts different against his enemies. Some get really angry, others highly upset, others are incapable of reacting and fall into resignation. Not me. I want satisfaction. And the satisfaction, which I seek is a subjective one. My pride, why should I hide this feeling, comes out in full force. But this has something good. After great tension I am looking for consolation, for a meadow of my pride, and so I am going after what is for me the cure of all pain, which makes me forget everything bad, study.

    *When I have to fight against my enemies, I develop a powerful drive to do studies, strong, and numerous as never before. The prospect of the great works illuminates and strengthens me. This is my revenge.


    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 10:43:49 AM »
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  • P.S. As Jehanne said it was the secular governments that burned heretics.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

    Offline Boniface

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    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 10:46:17 AM »
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  •  Raoul must be a closet ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, since he is obsessed with blaming every heresy on them. Ridiculous.


    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 11:09:00 AM »
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  • I didn't blame "every heresy" on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, Boniface.  To be more clear, I'll say that they have composed a great many of the foot soldiers who have promoted the heresies, which were originated by Freemasons and/or Jєωs.  But if you know anything about Freemasons you will know that one of their high-echelon rites is supposedly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is often used as a sort of "sealing of the deal" within these occult rites -- precisely because it sears the conscience, as I explained before, and can lead people to despair of God's forgiveness.  To perform ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts is sort of like a blood pact, a pact with Satan.  All of this sick garbage is connected.

    And what is ridiculous?  What has already been proven to have happened in Vatican II is "ridiculous"?  That comment right there puts you totally beyond any sort of trust.

    Boniface, you have made ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-sounding, "queeny" comments repeatedly on this forum.  Like this one from the thread about QuisEtDeus.

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    And you, my dear, have been visiting too many bondage websites to even have thought up of that comment !! Silly girl. :whistleblower:


    I know how this routine goes -- just by talking about what is going on right in my face then suddenly I'm under suspicion.  Since I see ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs everywhere I must be one, right?  
    Nice try at reverse psychology; it makes you seem even more like a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ trying to pin your problem onto others and distract from yourself.

    I guess all those people in VII whose kids were molested, and who lost their faith because they think this is what the Catholic Church is, a bunch of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, must be "closeted."  Ugh.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 11:22:27 AM »
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  • I had said:
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    To perform ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts is sort of like a blood pact, a pact with Satan.


    I don't mean a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ act is an actual pact with Satan in itself.  It's a sin.  

    I mean that within the context of an occult rite, from what I've read -- I'm not sure if it's Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or the OTO as I don't care to get too in detail here -- it is often used to express becoming one of the gang, joining the club, having crossed over into a new life, which of course is a Satanic transformation.  It's like going past the point of no return, or people at least are made to feel that way.  

    There is another possible reason for the use of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and occultism -- it can be used as blackmail.  If someone steps out of line, or stops doing what his handlers want, he could be blackmailed and ruined with proof of his ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior.

    I won't get into why there are so many ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ infiltrators in the Church beyond what I've already said.  That would take me many pages to discuss and describe.  Essentially, they get to play dress-up and have easy access to each other and to boys while abusing a religion they may feel persecutes them.   If they are actively sinning, they are going to be blinded to truth.  On top of that, they get a cushy job.

    And yes, I do see a connection between NFP and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the Church.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have the pejorative term "breeders" for heterosɛҳuąƖs, and it is no coincidence that now they are teaching heterosɛҳuąƖs how to sterilize themselves.  Because as you may know, in VII, priests will often openly counsel not just NFP but other forms of birth control.  

    God, in my opinion, has allowed these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to take over to punish his faithless children for having gone along with the heresy of NFP.  These are the teachers that they have heaped to themselves with itching ears, based on their own desires.  That is how I see the big picture, anyway.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

    Offline Boniface

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    « Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 11:26:26 AM »
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  • Ugh, another Torquemada queen in our midst.
     Do not talk my words out of context. Enjoy your time here online, making yourself feel 'big'.  :roll-laugh2:
     You obviously know little, or nothing about secret societies and the occult which you like to advertise so much. Good day to you, madame.


    Offline Boniface

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    « Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 11:28:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76


    God, in my opinion, has allowed these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to take over to punish his faithless children for having gone along with the heresy of NFP.  These are the teachers that they have heaped to themselves with itching ears, based on their own desires.  That is how I see the big picture, anyway.  


     You obviously have some very deep seated psychological issues, since everything you post on here is about NFP. We could be talking about the weather and you bring up NFP. Please, see a therapist and get over your sex obsession.

    Offline Jacafamala

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    « Reply #12 on: December 10, 2009, 11:29:25 AM »
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  • KAMALAYKA, it'd be a good idea if you'd explain the various statements you've quoted here contradict rather then build upon what's been previously defined. Doctrine can develop, but it can't contradict a previously defined doctrine. There are issues with VII because it seems to contradict Doctrine.
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    Offline kamalayka

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    « Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 11:36:59 AM »
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  • If it seems to contradict, then we can only admit we are mistaken somehow.

    ONLY THE CHURCH CAN INTERPRET THE CHURCH'S TEACHINGS.

    I still have not received any answer:

    How does one take it upon himself to determine whether a Council contradicts another?

    If you think you see a contradiction, you just have to accept you are wrong.

    It's simple.

    Offline kamalayka

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    « Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 11:40:07 AM »
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  • Peter was well meaning when he attempted to stop Jesus from suffering.

    Jesus replied, "Get behind Me, Satan."


    Maybe you are well meaning. . .