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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Why do some trads seem to promote Divine Mercy?
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2021, 04:22:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on April 13, 2021, 05:09:25 AM
    Last Tradhican, I'm surprised you've heard of the Kingdom Divine Will devotion. It's a nice complement to Divine Mercy .... I am convinced the Crisis in the Church will only end when Catholics take these devotions to Jesus and Mary seriously.
    We had a blind fool like you in the Indult mass I attended for a short time when I first came back to the Church 25+ years ago. He gave me a book on the Kingdom of Divine Will. I read 10 pages and gave it back to him the following Sunday. He asked me what I thought if it? All I answered was, "burn it". He replied, but what do you think of it? I said again "burn it, it is not Catholic". He told me that the followers of the Kingdom Divine Will, will form a circle around God in Heaven and shine so bright that the other saints outside of the circle will have their vision of God obscured.

    Just another false devotion from the devil for the presumptuous feelings oriented effeminates.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Why do some trads seem to promote Divine Mercy?
    « Reply #46 on: April 14, 2021, 04:29:16 AM »
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    • To update the posting I made previously:

    A religion like XavierSem's is founded on good feelings: beautiful TLMs, marble, incense, vestment, lace,  Valtorta, Medjugorje, Divine Mercy Sunday, Luminous Mysteries, Kingdom of Divine Will, ecuмenism, peace and love.....

    Just another false Sunshine religion based on psychic elation that has no lasting power and which will end sooner or later in disillusionment and despair.
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    Offline DecemRationis

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    Re: Why do some trads seem to promote Divine Mercy?
    « Reply #47 on: April 14, 2021, 06:08:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on April 14, 2021, 05:58:51 AM
    So, LT, do you deny or doubt the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary as well? She promised the Conversion of Russia and a Period of Peace. Some people doubt that. I don't. It's very clear in Scripture itself. The Jєωs will convert, and there will be a period of blessings for the whole world.

    No, it's not "very clear;" in fact, I don't think it's in Scripture that the "Jєωs will convert," or that there "will be a period of blessings for the whole world" before the end comes. I think Scripture says the opposite.

    In some ways you're very tolerant - e.g., regarding Protestants and the NO. In other ways you're downright dogmatic and practically declaring anathemas on various other Catholics - Sedes, strict Feeneyites who maintain an absolute necessity of water baptism, etc.

    Fine. You're entitled to your opinion . . .

    Just it grates me at times when you pronounce this and that is "clear." It often ain't when you say that and I often think it's the opposite.

    Ok . . . carry on.
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    Re: Why do some trads seem to promote Divine Mercy?
    « Reply #48 on: April 14, 2021, 07:44:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on April 14, 2021, 07:25:12 AM
    Hi Decem. I can agree there are two opinions about whether the Jєωs will convert or not, each having some arguments behind them. I believe, as we've discussed before, that the greater authorities are in favor of saying that, yes, indeed there will be such a conversion. I agree it is not a defined dogma of faith, so you can disagree if you wish. I believe that it's legitimately deduced from Scripture and Tradition. Here's the SBC article: https://catholicism.org/ad-rem-no-310.html

    "An impressive list of Fathers can be brought out who refer to this future conversion as a fact. Included are Tertullian, Origen, Saint Hilary, Saint Ambrose, Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Jerome, Saint Cyril of Alexandria, Saint Prosper of Aquitaine, Saint Gregory the Great, Saint Isidore, Saint Bede the Venerable, and Saint Anselm. Saint Cyril of Alexandria says this: “Towards the end of time, Our Lord Jesus Christ will effect the reconciliation of His former persecutor Israel with Himself. Everybody who knows Holy Scripture is aware that, in the course of time, this people will return to the love of Christ by the submission of faith…. Yes, one day, after the conversion of the Gentiles, Israel will be converted, and the Jєωs will be astonished at the Treasure they will find in Christ” (Commentary on Genesis, Bk. 5)."

    You can respectfully disagree with these authorities, I think. But those of us who do believe them stand on solid ground, at the same time.

    I didn't pronounce anathematizations on anyone, but merely explained what I personally believe about the conversion of the Jєωs. God Bless.
     
    Sure. We can disagree. 

    I made my point and no need for me to reiterate. 

    Peace,

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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Why do some trads seem to promote Divine Mercy?
    « Reply #49 on: April 14, 2021, 08:54:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on April 14, 2021, 05:58:51 AM
    So, LT, do you deny or doubt the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary as well? She promised the Conversion of Russia and a Period of Peace. Some people doubt that. I don't. It's very clear in Scripture itself. The Jєωs will convert, and there will be a period of blessings for the whole world. It won't come easily, but it will indeed come before the end. I believe in the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. It will not come without the Papal Consecration, and without Catholics seriously doing the First Saturdays Devotion. In Divine Mercy, the Lord said the world will not have Peace until it turns with trust to His Mercy. It has not yet happened, but it will surely happen.

    Fr. Venerable Holshauser also prophesies about it. It is called the Sixth Age of the Church and is fairly well known, I think.

    Our Lady of Fatima on the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart: "If My wishes are fulfilled, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if not, then Russia will spread her errors throughout the world, bringing new wars and persecution of the Church; the good will be martyred and the Holy Father will have much to suffer; certain nations will be annihilated. But in the end My Immaculate Heart will Triumph. The Holy Father will Consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and the world will enjoy a Period of Peace."

    The Dimonds claim this has already happened, whereas in fact billions of babies are still murdered in abortion, one of the greatest destroyers of Peace. No, it has not yet happened. It will happen in the future though. Such a period is foretold in the Scripture also.

    Speaking of abortion, Divine Mercy was also given to fight against it: "A spark has many facets.  This ‘spark from Poland’, the Chaplet of Mercy, has been called the antidote for abortion and indeed for all the ills of the world.  As it continues to spread in popularity and understanding may it kindle in all hearts the fire of God’s love for each and every soul especially the baby in the womb.  May it ignite a flame that exposes all evil and lights the way to the ocean of mercy and eternal life with God." https://divinemercyforamerica.org/action-plan/utilize-the-promises/promises-of-the-chaplet/origins-chaplet/ Catholic Poland has one of the strongest laws against abortion in Europe.
    That is your own home made mess of prophecies,  false apparitions, personal interpretation of scripture.... Everything you write here of CI  is really just your own made up religion, it is not Catholic. There is no point in my having any type of an exchange with you,  for you have a muddled mind. My advise to you is that you not evangelize on the internet since it spreads your errors to a large audience. 
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    Re: Why do some trads seem to promote Divine Mercy?
    « Reply #50 on: April 14, 2021, 09:38:48 AM »
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    I can agree there are two opinions about whether the Jєωs will convert or not,

    The Church Fathers are unanimous that the Jєωs, as an entire religion, will convert post-anti-christ, before the end of the world.  This victory is reserved for Christ alone.
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    If you want to argue that there will be a large number of Jєωs who convert post-WW3, post-consecration of russia, ok but that's not the same thing as the end of the Jєωιѕн religion, which will happen before the world ends.
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    The reason why the Jєωs won't totally convert in the period of peace (i.e. Age of Mary), post-consecration of russia is because who would be left to bring the anti-christ to power?  In the age of mary, the whole world is generally/politically/socially catholic, but, as is usual, some Jєωs will work behind the scenes to destroy the Church and bring about the "man of sin" and the end days.  But Christ will conquer him and the Jєωs will finally return to the Church.
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    Re: Why do some trads seem to promote Divine Mercy?
    « Reply #51 on: April 14, 2021, 09:52:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on April 14, 2021, 08:54:26 AM
    My advise to you is that you not evangelize on the internet since it spreads your errors to a large audience.

    THIS^^^
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