Author Topic: Why do Many People Think Being in The Church Christ Founded is Unnecessary? (Read 1237 times)

Truth is Eternal · « **on:** January 01, 2015, 05:28:26 PM »

For Years I have been debating many people who consider themselves Christian. Many of them deny Jesus founded the Catholic Church even though they know Christ founded the Catholic Church. If I ask them this question, “Do we have to be in The Church Christ founded in order to save our souls?” they will not answer the question no matter how many different ways I ask it.

I also asked this question, “Why do you Believe it is Necessary to Partake in Christ's Supper to be Saved?”. A person responded that it is not necessary to partake in Christ's supper to be saved. By responding this way, this person admitted Christ's super is real but unimportant.

I asked another person, “Does your place of worship have Apostolic Succession?”. She replied, “Does it matter?”. She did not deny Apostolic Succession, but, tried to brush it off as if it doesn't matter.

Why do so many people who call themselves Christian, yet, know Christ founded the Catholic Church, believe it is unnecessary to be a member of this Catholic Church Christ founded?

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2015, 05:31:04 PM »

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Why do so many people who call themselves Christian, yet, know Christ founded the Catholic Church, believe it is unnecessary to be a member of this Catholic Church Christ founded?

Maybe it is because the Novus Ordo sect, which they believe is the Catholic Church founded by Christ, tells them that it is not necessary to be a member of the Church to be saved.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #2 on:** January 01, 2015, 05:39:40 PM »

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Why do so many people who call themselves Christian, yet, know Christ founded the Catholic Church, believe it is unnecessary to be a member of this Catholic Church Christ founded?

Maybe it is because the Novus Ordo sect, which they believe is the Catholic Church founded by Christ, tells them that it is not necessary to be a member of the Church to be saved.

Logical thinking would dictate it is more pleasing to God to be in the Church Christ founded.

If they truly thought the Catholic Church is as unnecessary as they claim it is, I believe they would readily answer my questions.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 01, 2015, 06:11:50 PM »

Most Traditional Catholics don't believe that one must belong to the Church in order to be saved. That should be the first clue. Denial of EENS has been happening since the 1600s and steadily built momentum to the point that Father Feeney was considered a heretic for believing in it shortly before Vatican II. Vatican II is nothing but EENS-denial.

songbird · « **Reply #4 on:** January 01, 2015, 08:54:05 PM »

what I think is: people want what they want. For example: they want remarriage after divorce, they just want their cake and eat it too, as they say. They think they can stand under a banner that says, "catholic" and do as they please. No matter what, they are most comfortable where they roost.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2015, 07:55:06 PM »

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Most Traditional Catholics don't believe that one must belong to the Church in order to be saved. That should be the first clue. Denial of EENS has been happening since the 1600s and steadily built momentum to the point that Father Feeney was considered a heretic for believing in it shortly before Vatican II. Vatican II is nothing but EENS-denial.

Which is a load of heretical, Feeneyite baloney. There is zero evidence for that silly claim.

In the true Church, it is impossible for there to exist public doubts about previously defined dogma without there being swift condemnations of them. Those condemnations don't exist, because there has been no denials of dogma.

Just remember, all these damned heretics who deny these doctrines of The Church; these heretics are anathema and burn in hell for all eternity unless they reform their beliefs to that of infallible Church doctrine.

Cantarella · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2015, 12:01:49 AM »

Because of Modernist fables such as Baptism of Desire -> Invincible Ignorance which totally obliterate the Catholics dogmas of salvation. The non Catholic Christians and the infidels do not understand the importance of taking the Precious Blood of Christ and the sacraments. Their pride literally blinds them. They think they do not need "intermediaries" or any organization. They fool themselves believing they can have a personal relationship with Jesus without need of any Sacraments and since the world has received the impression that even the Catholic Church changed Her requirements for salvation and now it is not really necessary to formally convert to Catholicism and enter the visible Church, they keep justifying themselves and finding an easy way out. Why bother? for the outsider to be a Catholic entails too much responsibilities and complications.