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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Geremia on April 23, 2025, 12:52:20 PM
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Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
++Viganò has one explanation (Lapides clamabunt – Statement on the Church and the Papacy – February 23, 2025 (https://exsurgedomine.it/250223-declaratio-eng/)):After years of lies, dissimulations, and silence, it is necessary to acknowledge Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s fraud and put him on trial, restoring that truth and justice demanded by the victims of his reprisals, his intimidating acts, and his connivance in the crimes of his instigators and his protégés. Investigations are needed into his past life, into the crimes he committed in Argentina (which is why he never returned as “pope” to his native country) and into the murky events that allege Jorge Mario Bergoglio was personally responsible for the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of young Jesuits when he was Novice Master in Argentina. It must be clarified whether Tomas Ricardo Arizaga (known as Tomasito), who died on 20 July 2014 at the age of 11, and who was then cremated and buried in 2019 in the Teutonic Cemetery in the Vatican after having had his teeth removed, is really Bergoglio’s son, as has been rumored for too long and as multiple elements lead us to believe.
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It could be that the Jews and Masons disowned him. He was lighting menorahs with them before his election. Argentina has a high per capita rate of Masonic lodges and Jєωιѕн population. Bergoglio spoke out against the Masonic infiltration as early as 2013.
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Vigano won’t discuss Opus Dei, “white masonry” the “elephant in the room”
and to which Bergolio had to be part of.
The 2013 story of the sacking of former Opus Dei Bishop Plano of Paraguay was an example of Bergolio’s participation in an Opus Dei hit.
Bishop Plano had converted to Catholic tradition, stopped the Novus ordo Masses and started a seminary with 250 students.
For this, he was targeted for by the Opus Dei.
Even B16 and Fr. Urrigoity we’re part of the set-up of Bp. Plano.
When called to Rome on a trumped-up disciplinary charge, Bergolio met him and said essentially, “As we speak, you have been removed from your Diocese.”
Bp. Plano was likely poisoned while in Rome. When he returned to Paraguay, at 68, he had to move in with his Mother. He died within a year.
I have always viewed Bergolio as being a part of ecclesiastical masonry.
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Bergoglio's son, little Tomasito was buried on the Vatican grounds (using a false story)so I guess there was no reason to go back.
Also there were supposed to be pending charges (allegedly) against him over a variety of seminarian molestation and trafficking issues, linked to Argentinian ex-Bishop Gustavo Zanchetti who is already under house arrest.
I wonder if they will move Tomasito's body to St Mary Majorica next to Jorge.
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Vigano won’t discuss Opus Dei, “white masonry” the “elephant in the room”
and to which Bergolio had to be part of.
The 2013 story of the sacking of former Opus Dei Bishop Plano of Paraguay was an example of Bergolio’s participation in an Opus Dei hit.
Bishop Plano had converted to Catholic tradition, stopped the Novus ordo Masses and started a seminary with 250 students.
For this, he was targeted for by the Opus Dei.
Even B16 and Fr. Urrigoity we’re part of the set-up of Bp. Plano.
When called to Rome on a trumped-up disciplinary charge, Bergolio met him and said essentially, “As we speak, you have been removed from your Diocese.”
Bp. Plano was likely poisoned while in Rome. When he returned to Paraguay, at 68, he had to move in with his Mother. He died within a year.
I have always viewed Bergolio as being a part of ecclesiastical masonry.
Bishop Plano was better known as "Don Rogelio Llivieres", since Plano is his mother's maiden name, per Spanish name customs.
Bergoglio also hated his guts because the conservative seminarians from Buenos Aires would all leave leave him and move to Llivieres' seminary in his diocese of Ciudad Del Este, which is an important Paraguayan city in the triple frontier area (Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil).
So, he had a regional, international impact. I even remember that a conservative Carmelite community moved from Brazil to his diocese after being persecuted by their local bishop.
His fellow bishops from Paraguay also hated him and helped Bergoglio to destroy him.
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Bergoglio's son, little Tomasito was buried on the Vatican grounds (using a false story)so I guess there was no reason to go back.
Also there were supposed to be pending charges (allegedly) against him over a variety of seminarian molestation and trafficking issues, linked to Argentinian ex-Bishop Gustavo Zanchetti who is already under house arrest.
I wonder if they will move Tomasito's body to St Mary Majorica next to Jorge.
Would you be kind enough to briefly explain how he came to have a son and what befell him? I haven't heard this before
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Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
There may have been other reasons as well...
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/09/12/nuclear-bombshell-argentinian-whistleblower-interview-bergoglio-allows-the-catholic-elite-in-rome-to-have-access-to-gustavo-veras-child-sex-slaves/
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/09/09/expanded-notes-from-argentinia-on-the-gustavo-vera-natacha-jaitt-tv-interview-on-vera-and-antipope-bergoglios-pedophile-ring/
https://www.complicitclergy.com/2019/02/23/argentine-accuser-of-gustavo-vera-close-friend-of-pope-francis-found-dead/
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"PHOTOS: Pope Francis’ funeral is held at the Vatican (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/photos-pope-francis-funeral-is-held-at-the-vatican/)":
Leaders from world religions also attended, including Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Zoroastrians, though no Muslim or Jєωιѕн leaders were officially present.
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Would you be kind enough to briefly explain how he came to have a son and what befell him? I haven't heard this before
He came to have a child in the usual fashion. The mother was a secretary in one of the Buenos Aires Diocesan offices ; I'm not sure it was Bergoglio's secretary or not.
The child had cancer and died at the age of 15 in 2012. His body was moved to the Teutonic Cemetery on the Vatican grounds in 2015. The cover
story was that this child's last wish was to be buried near the Pope.
https://www.fromrome.info/2025/02/25/explosive-vigano-alleges-pope-francis-buried-his-own-son-at-the-vatican-in-2014/
Some say that Vigano got this wrong- that Tomasito was actually Bergoglio's grandson from his daughter.
There was also rumor that Bergoglio was the father of a liberal Jєωιѕн Argentinian Rabbi when he first became a priest in the early 60's. Can't confirm but the physical similarities are pretty unsettling.
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/02/01/speaking-of-bastard-sons-of-evil-communist-tyrants/
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He came to have a child in the usual fashion. The mother was a secretary in one of the Buenos Aires Diocesan offices ; I'm not sure it was Bergoglio's secretary or not.
The child had cancer and died at the age of 15 in 2012. His body was moved to the Teutonic Cemetery on the Vatican grounds in 2015. The cover
story was that this child's last wish was to be buried near the Pope.
https://www.fromrome.info/2025/02/25/explosive-vigano-alleges-pope-francis-buried-his-own-son-at-the-vatican-in-2014/
Some say that Vigano got this wrong- that Tomasito was actually Bergoglio's grandson from his daughter.
There was also rumor that Bergoglio was the father of a liberal Jєωιѕн Argentinian Rabbi when he first became a priest in the early 60's. Can't confirm but the physical similarities are pretty unsettling.
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/02/01/speaking-of-bastard-sons-of-evil-communist-tyrants/
I don't buy it.
Bergoglio is suspect of not being interested in women.
Of course, the list of Popes who had illegitimate children (and were even reputed to have been sodomites) is not a short one ... and most of us would rather have had an ordinary sinner Pope than a non-Catholic AntiPope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sɛҳuąƖly_active_popes
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I don't buy it.
Bergoglio is suspect of not being interested in women.
Of course, the list of Popes who had illegitimate children (and were even reputed to have been sodomites) is not a short one ... and most of us would rather have had an ordinary sinner Pope than a non-Catholic AntiPope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sɛҳuąƖly_active_popes
Great reference you buffoon! Wonderful use of an ultra liberal, non Catholic site to disparage the Catholic Church and Her popes! :facepalm:
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I don't buy it.
Bergoglio is suspect of not being interested in women.
Of course, the list of Popes who had illegitimate children (and were even reputed to have been sodomites) is not a short one ... and most of us would rather have had an ordinary sinner Pope than a non-Catholic AntiPope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sɛҳuąƖly_active_popes
Having a child ( or children) doesn’t preclude him from being a sodomite.
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Great reference you buffoon! Wonderful use of an ultra liberal, non Catholic site to disparage the Catholic Church and Her popes! :facepalm:
You are free to check the references and make revisions if you find any errors
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You are free to check the references and make revisions if you find any errors
As a Catholic, one is bound to use Catholic references regarding religious matters. Just because we live in extraordinary times, you are NOT “free” to spread possible misinformation from non Catholic sources. The onus is quite clearly on the buffoon. By the way, I’m one of the few on this site who actually believes that most all of our popes were actually very good men and that includes Pope Alexander VI.
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Great reference you buffoon! Wonderful use of an ultra liberal, non Catholic site to disparage the Catholic Church and Her popes! :facepalm:
“Okay boys… let’s lynch him now for his non-trad link!”
(https://i.imgur.com/rTEH1mX.jpeg)
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“Okay boys… let’s lynch him now for his non-trad link!”
(https://i.imgur.com/rTEH1mX.jpeg)
Bro, I don’t mind the non Catholic link as long as it doesn’t attack the Church or her popes.
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Bro, I don’t mind the non Catholic link as long as it doesn’t attack the Church or her popes.
Touché AMDG!
The “buffoon” just struck me initially as excessive and perhaps a PM may have struck home the point more effectively?
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Touché AMDG!
The “buffoon” just struck me initially as excessive and perhaps a PM may have struck home the point more effectively?
Much appreciated incred! I don’t have enough feedback to give you a thumbs up, but I would if I could.
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Great reference you buffoon! Wonderful use of an ultra liberal, non Catholic site to disparage the Catholic Church and Her popes! :facepalm:
While you might dispute one or two details, it's a simple fact that not a few popes were degenerates, and likely a handful of sodomites. But you missed the entire point of the comparison, that if Bergoglio had been ORTHODOX, i..e not a heretic, then his personal sins pale by comparison, and are between him and God, i.e. at least these others didn't wreck the faith and in some cases admirably defended it despite their personal deparavity.
So you're going to pretend now that every Catholic pope who'se ever lived was a saint? I wouldn't be surprised ift he majority of them were in hell for one reason or another.
In fact, there's a story where a man was trying to convert someone to Catholicism (during one of thoese times when the Vatican was anything but edifying), and the potential convert proposed a trip to Rome. So the Catholic became alarmed and tried to dissuade him, knowing what was going on there. But the man insisted and the Catholic lost all hope for his conversion. Much to his astonishment, however, the man returned declaring his intention to convert. So the Catholic asked him how he was still interested in converting, and the man responded, "Any institution that could withstand such depravity and even keep sound doctrine must certainly have been established by God. There's no other natural explanation for it."
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While you might dispute one or two details, it's a simple fact that not a few popes were degenerates, and likely a handful of sodomites. But you missed the entire point of the comparison, that if Bergoglio had been ORTHODOX, i..e not a heretic, then his personal sins pale by comparison, and are between him and God, i.e. at least these others didn't wreck the faith and in some cases admirably defended it despite their personal deparavity.
So you're going to pretend now that every Catholic pope who'se ever lived was a saint? I wouldn't be surprised ift he majority of them were in hell for one reason or another.
In fact, there's a story where a man was trying to convert someone to Catholicism (during one of thoese times when the Vatican was anything but edifying), and the potential convert proposed a trip to Rome. So the Catholic became alarmed and tried to dissuade him, knowing what was going on there. But the man insisted and the Catholic lost all hope for his conversion. Much to his astonishment, however, the man returned declaring his intention to convert. So the Catholic asked him how he was still interested in converting, and the man responded, "Any institution that could withstand such depravity and even keep sound doctrine must certainly have been established by God. There's no other natural explanation for it."
Dante placed no less than four pope in hell, one of which was still alive at the time he was writing the Inferno.
They were so wicked and corrupt that his contemporaries probably didn't even raise an eyebrow. Nor was Dante ever
condemned by the Church, in fact just the opposite, one pope wrote an encyclical just to honor him.
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While you might dispute one or two details, it's a simple fact that not a few popes were degenerates, and likely a handful of sodomites. But you missed the entire point of the comparison, that if Bergoglio had been ORTHODOX, i..e not a heretic, then his personal sins pale by comparison, and are between him and God, i.e. at least these others didn't wreck the faith and in some cases admirably defended it despite their personal deparavity.
So you're going to pretend now that every Catholic pope who'se ever lived was a saint? I wouldn't be surprised ift he majority of them were in hell for one reason or another.
In fact, there's a story where a man was trying to convert someone to Catholicism (during one of thoese times when the Vatican was anything but edifying), and the potential convert proposed a trip to Rome. So the Catholic became alarmed and tried to dissuade him, knowing what was going on there. But the man insisted and the Catholic lost all hope for his conversion. Much to his astonishment, however, the man returned declaring his intention to convert. So the Catholic asked him how he was still interested in converting, and the man responded, "Any institution that could withstand such depravity and even keep sound doctrine must certainly have been established by God. There's no other natural explanation for it."
I have close to a totally opposite view. Most of the history about our glorious popes has been falsified by Protestants with a axe to grind. The good Alexander VI is a perfect example. The lies about him are extant and disgraceful.
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Dante placed no less than four pope in hell, one of which was still alive at the time he was writing the Inferno.
They were so wicked and corrupt that his contemporaries probably didn't even raise an eyebrow. Nor was Dante ever
condemned by the Church, in fact just the opposite, one pope wrote an encyclical just to honor him.
Indeed, there's no divine guarantee, no promise from Our Lord, that popes will be impeccable ... just that their "faith shall not fail". That's the very point I was making where, while people might forcus on Bergoglio's personal degeneracy (allegations of illegitimate child, sodomy, etc.) ... those are a distraction from his heresy and apostasy, and if he were merely a degenerate, I'd be thinking that it's between him and God and not my problem.
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I have close to a totally opposite view. Most of the history about our glorious popes has been falsified by Protestants with a axe to grind. The good Alexander VI is a perfect example. The lies about him are extant and disgraceful.
Again, you're compltely missing the point ... as one case suffices to for it (see my post above). At the same time, the more you cling with white knuckles to some invented principles that Pope are all walking saints as if by some guarantee, the more you set that false principle up for falsification in case where their degeneracy has been proven, an easy strawman that you're helping erect so that the non-Catholics can slap it down. You're actually assistintin in their strawman attack against the Church. It's the same when various Traditional Catholics exaggerate the scope of papal infallibility, since it takes merely a single course reversal on one point for the Prots to claim that (their strawman of) papal infallibility has been flasified.
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Again, you're compltely missing the point ... as one case suffices to for it (see my post above). At the same time, the more you cling with white knuckles to some invented principles that Pope are all walking saints as if by some guarantee, the more you set that false principle up for falsification in case where their degeneracy has been proven, an easy strawman that you're helping erect so that the non-Catholics can slap it down. You're actually assistintin in their strawman attack against the Church. It's the same when various Traditional Catholics exaggerate the scope of papal infallibility, since it takes merely a single course reversal on one point for the Prots to claim that (their strawman of) papal infallibility has been flasified.
In actuality you are the one who is creating a strawman. I never said that all popes were necessarily saints, just that many were actually good men and have been defamed mostly by prots and several disingenuous catholics. As I said, Alexander VI is a prime example. His name today is synonymous with evil. Errors and lies were spread about him by Protestants and in turn, ill informed Catholics, such as yourself, have spread misinformation about him for centuries. In truth he was actually a good pope who DID NOT have illegitimate children.
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In actuality you are the one who is creating a strawman.
Again, you're missing the point. I even said in my initial post on the subject that one could contest some of the details ... and you've gone mentally derailed here. If there's one case, that suffices to make my point, to which you appear to be oblivious.
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In actuality you are the one who is creating a strawman. I never said that all popes were necessarily saints, just that many were actually good men and have been defamed mostly by prots and several disingenuous catholics. As I said, Alexander VI is a prime example. His name today is synonymous with evil. Errors and lies were spread about him by Protestants and in turn, ill informed Catholics, such as yourself, have spread misinformation about him for centuries. In truth he was actually a good pope who DID NOT have illegitimate children.
So where did all those kids come from?
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So where did all those kids come from?
They were actually his nieces and nephews.
I suggest you start by reading the preface of the following set of books in five volumes. It was written by the Catholic Monsignor Peter De Roo called Material for a History of Pope Alexander VI:
https://archive.org/details/historyofpopeale0001unse/page/n13/mode/2up