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Offline Geremia

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Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
« on: April 23, 2025, 12:52:20 PM »
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  • Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?

    ++Viganò has one explanation (Lapides clamabunt – Statement on the Church and the Papacy – February 23, 2025):
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    After years of lies, dissimulations, and silence, it is necessary to acknowledge Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s fraud and put him on trial, restoring that truth and justice demanded by the victims of his reprisals, his intimidating acts, and his connivance in the crimes of his instigators and his protégés. Investigations are needed into his past life, into the crimes he committed in Argentina (which is why he never returned as “pope” to his native country) and into the murky events that allege Jorge Mario Bergoglio was personally responsible for the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of young Jesuits when he was Novice Master in Argentina. It must be clarified whether Tomas Ricardo Arizaga (known as Tomasito), who died on 20 July 2014 at the age of 11, and who was then cremated and buried in 2019 in the Teutonic Cemetery in the Vatican after having had his teeth removed, is really Bergoglio’s son, as has been rumored for too long and as multiple elements lead us to believe.
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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #1 on: April 23, 2025, 02:37:39 PM »
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  • It could be that the Jews and Masons disowned him. He was lighting menorahs with them before his election. Argentina has a high per capita rate of Masonic lodges and Jєωιѕн population. Bergoglio spoke out against the Masonic infiltration as early as 2013.
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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #2 on: April 23, 2025, 05:57:07 PM »
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  • Vigano won’t discuss Opus Dei, “white masonry” the “elephant in the room” 
    and to which Bergolio had to be part of.

    The 2013 story of the sacking of former Opus Dei Bishop Plano of Paraguay was an example of Bergolio’s participation in an Opus Dei hit.

    Bishop Plano had converted to Catholic tradition, stopped the Novus ordo Masses and started a seminary with 250 students. 

    For this, he was targeted for by the Opus Dei.

    Even B16 and Fr. Urrigoity we’re part of the set-up of Bp. Plano.

    When called to Rome on a trumped-up disciplinary charge, Bergolio met him and said essentially, “As we speak, you have been removed from your Diocese.”

    Bp. Plano was likely poisoned while in Rome.  When he returned to Paraguay, at 68, he had to move in with his Mother. He died within a year.

    I have always viewed Bergolio as being a part of ecclesiastical masonry.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2025, 06:11:08 PM »
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  • Bergoglio's son, little Tomasito was buried on the Vatican grounds (using a false story)so I guess there was no reason to go back.
    Also there were supposed to be pending charges (allegedly) against him over a variety of seminarian molestation and trafficking issues, linked to Argentinian ex-Bishop Gustavo Zanchetti who is already under house arrest.
    I wonder if they will move Tomasito's body to St Mary Majorica next to Jorge.

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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2025, 07:00:21 PM »
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  • Vigano won’t discuss Opus Dei, “white masonry” the “elephant in the room”
    and to which Bergolio had to be part of.

    The 2013 story of the sacking of former Opus Dei Bishop Plano of Paraguay was an example of Bergolio’s participation in an Opus Dei hit.

    Bishop Plano had converted to Catholic tradition, stopped the Novus ordo Masses and started a seminary with 250 students.

    For this, he was targeted for by the Opus Dei.

    Even B16 and Fr. Urrigoity we’re part of the set-up of Bp. Plano.

    When called to Rome on a trumped-up disciplinary charge, Bergolio met him and said essentially, “As we speak, you have been removed from your Diocese.”

    Bp. Plano was likely poisoned while in Rome.  When he returned to Paraguay, at 68, he had to move in with his Mother. He died within a year.

    I have always viewed Bergolio as being a part of ecclesiastical masonry.

    Bishop Plano was better known as "Don Rogelio Llivieres", since Plano is his mother's maiden name, per Spanish name customs. 

    Bergoglio also hated his guts because the conservative seminarians from Buenos Aires would all leave leave him and move to Llivieres' seminary in his diocese of Ciudad Del Este, which is an important Paraguayan city in the triple frontier area (Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil).

    So, he had a regional, international impact. I even remember that a conservative Carmelite community moved from Brazil to his diocese after being persecuted by their local bishop.

    His fellow bishops from Paraguay also hated him and helped Bergoglio to destroy him.


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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #5 on: April 23, 2025, 07:43:43 PM »
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  • Bergoglio's son, little Tomasito was buried on the Vatican grounds (using a false story)so I guess there was no reason to go back.
    Also there were supposed to be pending charges (allegedly) against him over a variety of seminarian molestation and trafficking issues, linked to Argentinian ex-Bishop Gustavo Zanchetti who is already under house arrest.
    I wonder if they will move Tomasito's body to St Mary Majorica next to Jorge.
    Would you be kind enough to briefly explain how he came to have a son and what befell him? I haven't heard this before


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    Jews not officially at Francis's funeral.
    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2025, 06:03:03 PM »
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  • "PHOTOS: Pope Francis’ funeral is held at the Vatican":
    Quote from: LSN
    Leaders from world religions also attended, including Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Zoroastrians, though no Muslim or Jєωιѕн leaders were officially present.
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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #8 on: April 26, 2025, 06:27:13 PM »
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  • Would you be kind enough to briefly explain how he came to have a son and what befell him? I haven't heard this before
    He came to have a child in the usual fashion. The mother was a secretary in one of the Buenos Aires Diocesan offices ; I'm not sure it was Bergoglio's secretary or not.
    The child had cancer and died at the age of 15 in 2012. His body was moved to the Teutonic Cemetery on the Vatican grounds in 2015. The cover
    story was that this child's last wish was to be buried near the Pope. 

    https://www.fromrome.info/2025/02/25/explosive-vigano-alleges-pope-francis-buried-his-own-son-at-the-vatican-in-2014/

    Some say that Vigano got this wrong- that Tomasito was actually Bergoglio's grandson from his daughter.

    There was also rumor that Bergoglio was the father of a liberal Jєωιѕн Argentinian Rabbi when he first became a priest in the early 60's. Can't confirm but the physical similarities are pretty unsettling.

    https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/02/01/speaking-of-bastard-sons-of-evil-communist-tyrants/

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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2025, 07:20:31 PM »
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  • He came to have a child in the usual fashion. The mother was a secretary in one of the Buenos Aires Diocesan offices ; I'm not sure it was Bergoglio's secretary or not.
    The child had cancer and died at the age of 15 in 2012. His body was moved to the Teutonic Cemetery on the Vatican grounds in 2015. The cover
    story was that this child's last wish was to be buried near the Pope.

    https://www.fromrome.info/2025/02/25/explosive-vigano-alleges-pope-francis-buried-his-own-son-at-the-vatican-in-2014/

    Some say that Vigano got this wrong- that Tomasito was actually Bergoglio's grandson from his daughter.

    There was also rumor that Bergoglio was the father of a liberal Jєωιѕн Argentinian Rabbi when he first became a priest in the early 60's. Can't confirm but the physical similarities are pretty unsettling.

    https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/02/01/speaking-of-bastard-sons-of-evil-communist-tyrants/

    I don't buy it.

    Bergoglio is suspect of not being interested in women.

    Of course, the list of Popes who had illegitimate children (and were even reputed to have been sodomites) is not a short one ... and most of us would rather have had an ordinary sinner Pope than a non-Catholic AntiPope.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sɛҳuąƖly_active_popes

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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #10 on: April 26, 2025, 07:45:17 PM »
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  • I don't buy it.

    Bergoglio is suspect of not being interested in women.

    Of course, the list of Popes who had illegitimate children (and were even reputed to have been sodomites) is not a short one ... and most of us would rather have had an ordinary sinner Pope than a non-Catholic AntiPope.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sɛҳuąƖly_active_popes

    Great reference you buffoon! Wonderful use of an ultra liberal, non Catholic site to disparage the Catholic Church and Her popes! :facepalm:


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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #11 on: April 26, 2025, 07:57:14 PM »
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  • I don't buy it.

    Bergoglio is suspect of not being interested in women.

    Of course, the list of Popes who had illegitimate children (and were even reputed to have been sodomites) is not a short one ... and most of us would rather have had an ordinary sinner Pope than a non-Catholic AntiPope.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sɛҳuąƖly_active_popes
    Having a child ( or children) doesn’t preclude him from being a sodomite. 

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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #12 on: April 26, 2025, 08:12:24 PM »
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  • Great reference you buffoon! Wonderful use of an ultra liberal, non Catholic site to disparage the Catholic Church and Her popes! :facepalm:
    You are free to check the references and make revisions if you find any errors  
    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108

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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #13 on: April 26, 2025, 08:56:34 PM »
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  • You are free to check the references and make revisions if you find any errors 

    As a Catholic, one is bound to use Catholic references regarding religious matters. Just because we live in extraordinary times, you are NOT “free” to spread possible misinformation from non Catholic sources. The onus is quite clearly on the buffoon. By the way, I’m one of the few on this site who actually believes that most all of our popes were actually very good men and that includes Pope Alexander VI.

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    Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
    « Reply #14 on: April 26, 2025, 10:25:29 PM »
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  • Great reference you buffoon! Wonderful use of an ultra liberal, non Catholic site to disparage the Catholic Church and Her popes! :facepalm:

    “Okay boys… let’s lynch him now for his non-trad link!”

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi