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Why Did Vatican II Ignore Communism?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2012, 09:21:36 PM »
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  • Because the Vatican made a pact with the communists.  


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    Why Did Vatican II Ignore Communism?
    « Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 06:11:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Because the Vatican made a pact with the communists.  


    More like made a pact with the Devil himself. Basically Vatican II let all the poisinous vapors of modernism into the cathedral. But yes it is shocking that many priests speak of Marxism in a good light, and sickening as well. Of course the pulpit has long been used by priests as a political lectern, starting with priests comparing the Negroes in the inner-city as the "good Samaritan."

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    Why Did Vatican II Ignore Communism?
    « Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 04:02:00 AM »
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    Because the Vatican made a pact with the communists.  


     

    The Communists have been doing this kind of thing all along.

    In Fr. Pfeiffer's Second Sunday of Advent sermon, he mentions the "Pax
    Priests" of Hungary, whom the Communists gave full freedom to
    practice their religion in every way, to say Mass, have Benediction,
    provide the Sacraments, everything, only they were forbidden to speak
    against Communism.  Theirs was a false peace.

    And then so too, at Vat.II it was not a new experiment.  It was a
    tried-and-true technique, whereby the Church could do whatever it
    would, only NOT condemn error.  And this was what John XXIII of
    infalicitous memory did on October 11th, 1962:  he said the Church
    would no longer condemn error, but would rely instead on the
    infinite mercy of God.  

    At that point, the Pope gave up the farm, basically.

    He abjured the practice of Papal Infallibility, AND he put up a fence
    by which the Holy Ghost would not cross, and would not protect the
    Council from error.  

    All the consequences  -- including the unclean spirit of Vatican II,
    and the most conspicuous Balamand Agreement, or the Metz Pact,
    which promised the Council would not condemn the greatest
    threat to the Church in her history, Communism, if only Russian
    Orthodox observers (who were in fact KGB agents) would be
    present at the Council -- all flowed from that horrendous
    beginning, like a foul stream from the mouth of the infernal
    dragon of hell
    , as if it were the fulfillment of prophesy,
    which it in fact was!  





    "And the serpent cast out of his mouth
    after the woman, water as it were a river;  
    that he might cause her to be carried
    away by the river... which the dragon cast
    out of his mouth... And he opened his
    mouth unto blasphemies against God, to
    blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle,
    and them that dwell in heaven"
    (Apoc. xii. 15-16; xiii. 6).







    Read all about it in the Third Secret of Fatima, once, that is, it is released...






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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Why Did Vatican II Ignore Communism?
    « Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 04:43:11 AM »
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  • The article linked in the OP is pretty ho-hum  --  about 30 years late, really,
    but the first 3 comments are worth reading:



    schmenz • 4 days ago

    Your article is excellent but I'm afraid you're a little late to this
    party. The late, great Scottish journalist Hamish Fraser was writing
    about the "Rome-Moscow Agreement" in the late 1970s already. And Father
    Floridi wrote an entire book on the subject not long after that. Jean
    Madiran was also wriging about it at that time, as were many others. But
    that is not said to minimize the importance of what you have done,
    which is to introduce this unsavory subject to a new audience who may
    not have heard about it.

    As bad as the Metz agreement was/is there is another such agreement
    that was arranged at about the same time, and that was the agreement
    between the Vatican and Judaism that has effectively stifled any just
    criticism of the predations inflicted by these people against those
    living under their despotic thumb in Palestine. As a further insult the
    Vatican - in their disastrously stupid move to "recognize" the state of
    Israel (something no previous Pope would have even dreamed of doing) -
    was forced to grovel at the feet of Judaism and, incredibly, issue
    public "apologies" to the Jєωs for the supposed crimes committed against
    them by Catholics, an apology the troubled John Paul II happily made to
    them, to the utter scandal of the Catholic and non-Catholic world. And
    what did the Catholics receive in return for this humiliation? Nothing.

    This explains the action of John Paul II and Benedict vis-a-vis the
    Jєωs, which completely stops any charitable attempts to lead them out of
    their blindness and into the Church, and it explains these lunatic
    visits to ѕуηαgσgυєs and wailing walls, which are nothing but supreme
    insults to Our Lord. This Vatican/Jєωιѕн Agreement must be openly
    discussed and finally repudiated, for the good of the souls of the Jєωs
    as well as the Catholics. And that repudiation would have to include a
    severing of diplomatic relations between their "state" and the Church.
    St Pius X, were he alive today, would condemn any such moves to cozy up
    to a state founded upon the principle of a total rejection of Jesus
    Christ. Indeed his words to Zionist guru Theodore Herzl shold be
    required reading in the Vatican.

    The Church needs to cease making agreements that silence and frustrate her apostolic mission.
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        Jack Gordon schmenz • 3 days ago

        I know we will always have the poor with us, but do we also have to expect to always have the antisemites with us?
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            schmenz Jack Gordon • 2 days ago

            The usual "one size fits all" accusation, used here by Mr Gordon, thrown at anyone who points out some of the horrors that are occurring in Palestine is growing more stale with each repeated use. It is also getting quite comical.

            But it makes me wonder: since the Palestinians are also of the semitic race, does their persecution by the Israelis make the Israelis antisemitic, too?
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    Why Did Vatican II Ignore Communism?
    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 12:26:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Because the Vatican made a pact with the communists  devil himself!  


    More like made a pact with the Devil himself. Basically Vatican II let all the poisinous vapors of modernism into the cathedral. But yes it is shocking that many priests speak of Marxism in a good light, and sickening as well. Of course the pulpit has long been used by priests as a political lectern, starting with priests comparing the Negroes in the inner-city as the "good Samaritan."


    There.  I'm not afraid to use strikeout!!  


    This is actually a great topic.  


    In his book, I Accuse the Council! ABL gets into this somewhat.  
    He's even got it in the Preface.  That's where you'll find the
    answer to this question:  


    Q~  In what objective reality was was the entire world left
    vulnerable to the Satanic revolution, by means of and because
    of Vatican Council II?


    And this question:

    Q~  But what does Vatican II have to do with Trent, besides
    the fact that they are both ecuмenical councils of the Church?  


    And this question:

    Q~  But how did Vatican II fail to defend Christian civilization?


    And this question:

    Q~  But how and why and by what means was the Liberal
    takeover of Vat.II the instrument for the destruction of all the
    moral an spiritual barriers against Communism?


    And that's all in one paragraph!      <----(hint: that's a link)













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    Why Did Vatican II Ignore Communism?
    « Reply #6 on: December 20, 2012, 12:39:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20 (Dec 14, 2012, 7:11 am)
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    Because the Vatican made a pact with the communists.  

    More like made a pact with the Devil himself. [....] But yes it is shocking that many priests speak of Marxism in a good light, and sickening as well.

    Perhaps only preVatican-II Catholics could personally remember the grim geopolitical context:

    Vatican II made international news on 11 October 1962, as that council was formally opened by Pope John XXIII.

    Nuclear intermediate-range ballistic missiles, placed in Cuba under U.S.S.R. command, made international news on 22 October 1962, as U.S. Pres. John Kennedy announced the alarming discovery, in a live evening speech on all U.S. t.v. networks.  Cuban missile sites not already fully operational were being actively readied for operation.

    So it happened that the one-&-only Catholic President of the U.S. announced to the world that, in effect, the country he was sworn to defend might be days or even hours from full-scale nuclear war against the U.S.S.R.: the world's Marxist-communist superpower.

    For many decades after the U.S.A. was founded, many Protestants openly expressed fears that electing a Catholic to the presidency would cause the U.S.A. to be controlled from the Vatican.  Hmmm.  If nuclear war started with Cuba, maybe the Soviets would launch a nuke at the Vatican, just in case those paranoid Protestants were right?  How much clearer could an object-lesson be for the Vatican and the world-wide Church, about the evils of communism?

    No one in the U.S. leadership would learn for many years that the top Soviet commanders in Cuba had been authorized in advance, under certaiin circuмstances, to launch their missiles--which could hit most of the U.S. Southeast--without further approval from the Kremlin.  (That perilous situation was made public during a 30-somethingth-anniversary "Cuban Missile Crisis" international historical conference hosted in Miami in the 1990s--or perhaps 2002.)