Author Topic: Why Arent Sedevacantists more impressive? (Read 42805 times)

rum · « **Reply #70 on:** October 18, 2015, 03:09:28 AM »

It might be strange if that's the comparison I was making. I'm comparing sedes to other trad groups, not to conciliarists. Reading back my OP I see that I didn't make that clear, but I think subsequent posts did.

Though I agree with you that some sedes will be more Judaized and PC than some conciliarists.

rum · « **Reply #71 on:** October 18, 2015, 03:20:26 AM »

The reason I started this thread is because of my months spent on Te Deum forum. I find many of the sedes who post regularly on Te Deum to be problematic, but I'm especially bothered by the mods and admin, principally VoxPop.

Back on ABLF 1.0 you and TMW joined in the mob (including the fake seer Dawn Marie) attacking me about gender-segregated forums. I've been wary of you two since that bizarre incident. Somewhat ironically TMW89 is one of the mods on an all-male forum now. On Te Deum TMW89 attacked me for posting an article by Mary Ball Martinez, accusing me in so many words of I don't know what. But the malevolent vibe he was giving off was palpable. I had never read her before and didn't know that she didn't use footnotes. Totally bizarre behavior. I sent a polite PM to Sbyvlius some time back asking why a thread I started had been locked. He didn't even have the decency to respond. But much more alarming than those things is that you, TMW89, and Sbyvlius exhibit no reservations about the lunacy of Voxpop. I used to find him generally unobjectionable when he was a member of Fisheaters and SuscipeDomine, but he's become downright corrupt since becoming a mod. I've never dealt with such an obnoxious and underhanded moderator on any forum, including secular forums. It's literally like dealing with a 50-year-old toddler. I can't make heads or tails of why he's tolerated. He's almost in pablo the Amateur Exorcist territory. Either you, Sybvlius, and TMW89 notice what an embarrassment he is and don't want to say anything to ruffle feathers or you don't notice. In either case his behavior doesn't just reflect badly on him, but on those who go along with it. It certainly isn't a good advertisement for the sede position.

I could say this on Te Deum, but it's a waste of time, as it would be deleted in a matter of minutes.

I've had my fill of testing the waters and playing games on over there, so I won't be posting any more. There's a lot of good information on that forum, so it's useful for lurking, but the atmosphere is poisonous and I'm basically straight-jacketed by threads being prematurely locked or deleted without explanation, and at constant risk of the banhammer unless I turn into a masochist.

Jaynek · « **Reply #72 on:** October 18, 2015, 07:48:42 AM »

VoxPop once started a thread on SuscipeDomine here volunteering to be a moderator and trying to convince people that he would be a good one. Wanting to be a moderator so much is probably a red flag. Being a moderator is a serious responsibility that people should approach with some misgivings. It should not be seen as primarily being about honour and power.

It is only natural that those serving as admin or mods on a predominantly sede forum would be seen as a "face" of sedevacantism, but they are no more representative of the position than anyone else who holds it. While I suspect that I have very different ideas about what makes a person impressive than rum does, I think that we could agree that virtually all trad positions have some proponents who are impressive and more who are not.

2Vermont · « **Reply #73 on:** October 18, 2015, 07:56:25 AM »

Quote from: irirfleo

I don't really understand why there's so much hate between sedevacantist and people on the resistance. It's not humanly sane to attack each other in things that are not 100% certain. There are good theologians in both sides, there're Church teachings on both sides. It's far beyond me why this is happening.

Let's use the example of the Dimond Brothers. They call "an abomination" one that does not hold the sedevacante position. It's doing more harm than good, even though they have great material on their website. But this violent approach is doing more harm than good and it's not sane to do it.

I think there are what you call dogmatic sedevacantists (like the DB's) as well as dogmatic sedeplenists. Both believe that their opinion is the correct one to the point of calling the other non-Catholic, schismatic, heretics, etc.

But not all are like this.

Jaynek · « **Reply #74 on:** October 18, 2015, 08:16:16 AM »

As I understand rum's posts in this thread, the qualities that impress him are opposition to Judaizing and to PCness. It seems strange to me that he is so specific.

I am impressed by opposition to and hatred of heresy in general. It seems odd to single out one particular heresy to focus on like this. All heresy is great evil.

Being PC is just one form of muddled thinking. I am impressed by clear thinking, but again, I find it odd to focus on just one particular way of failing to think clearly.