I'm not getting into the theological arguments in favor of sedevacantism as I can't debate theology. The sedes may or may not have the correct explanation for the crisis in the Church.

I know of quite a few sedes on these boards and I size up some of them as being pretty solid and some of them as being snakes. But you'd think if they were the true remnant of the Church that they would be more impressive as a whole. Many of them are Judaized, and infected with PC ideas in various areas.

They don't strike me as having an edge on other Catholic groups when it comes to avoiding error.

Obviously you could notice the same thing about every other Catholic group, but I've been thinking a lot about sedes lately so I'm talking about them.

I am probably what you all would call a Sedevacantist...

It is not that I necessary believe that there is absolutely no pope, but I certainly do not believe that Benedict or Francis are true popes...

So, being a sedevacantist, no-one will find me prejudiced to say that it is true.  Sedes are usually very proud, stubborn, and selfish people.  

And these three faults are what make it so that sedes are not more united; in fact, it is the reason why traditional Catholics in general are not more united.

The BEST traditional Catholics whom I have ever known were humble "sedes" and members of the "Resistance" who believed their position, but did not proudly or stubbornly force it upon others.

It is these people who do not tell other people that they can only attend Mass in one particular group.

Hence, the Resistance, the CMRI, and a number of other good priests I know are definitely what I believe are the hope for the Church.  They all try to avoid heresy and liturgical abuse.  They also avoid the illusionary hierarchy of the novus ordo.  And most importantly, it is they who have the charity of the early days of the Church; for which it was said that Christians were known, "by how they loved one another."

I think that the links are starting to fit into place, and many traditional groups are ready to be united.  It is just a matter of having the right leader.  So, when God deems the time right; (and that mankind has suffered enough to temporarily satisfy Divine Justice) He will then send to us the Holy Pope and Great Monarch who will restore Christendom upon the face of the earth.

Viva Cristo Rey!

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This is amusing.  

rum complains that sedevacantists aren't "impressive" enough while Matto complains that they aren't "humble" enough.  We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

rum:  You've been a member now for 6 days and you've already sized up the sedevacantists on the forum a great deal.  Now that's impressive.

If it makes you feel any better, I wasn't thinking of you when I made my post, but I believe it to be true for many sedevacantists, especially those with an internet presence. And rum used to post here for a while under a different name so he isn't really a new member.

And rum used to post here for a while under a different name so he isn't really a new member.

Interesting.  I thought Matthew took a dim view of members having multiple accounts.  So what name did you used to use so that the membership can tie together these personalities?  Unlike so many people, I have never been able to identify people who return under new screen names.  

I am probably what you all would call a Sedevacantist...

It is not that I necessary believe that there is absolutely no pope, but I certainly do not believe that Benedict or Francis are true popes...

So, being a sedevacantist, no-one will find me prejudiced to say that it is true.  Sedes are usually very proud, stubborn, and selfish people.  

And these three faults are what make it so that sedes are not more united; in fact, it is the reason why traditional Catholics in general are not more united.

The BEST traditional Catholics whom I have ever known were humble "sedes" and members of the "Resistance" who believed their position, but did not proudly or stubbornly force it upon others.

I'm not talking about personality issues or lack of humility, and I'm not criticizing the sede position. I find that it's just as likely to encounter someone who is Judaized (or even maybe crypto) or infected with PC ideas among sedes than among other Catholic groups.

Quote from: Matto

I have come to the opinion that often sedevacantists lack humility and think they have the one solution to the crisis and that everyone else is either of bad will or too stupid to come to the obvious conclusion of sedevacantism. Of course sedevacantists will not like this post of mine but that is the conclusion I have come to after spending a few years on the trad forums and looking at crisis in the Church websites by sedes and non-sedes. I do not have a lot of live experience with sedevacantists though because I only know two sedevacantists well in real life offline.

As far as why they are not more impressive, there are probably only a few dozen thousand sedevacantists in the world so it is a very small sample size.

Sure it's a small sample size, but the sample size of other types of trads is small, too..

Your implication is that there are other groups of traditional Catholics that are impressive.  Which groups of traditional Catholics do you find to be impressive and why do you think they're impressive?

Do you know what a straw man is?  You have made statements you can't prove and then pretended that you had proved them and refuted them.

If you do not want to dispute the sede position (I know I don't), then your have made proclamations that are not much help to anybody.  

This is amusing.  

rum complains that sedevacantists aren't "impressive" enough while Matto complains that they aren't "humble" enough.  We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

The saints were humble and impressive.