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Re: Why Arent Sedevacantists more impressive?
« Reply #285 on: February 15, 2019, 07:24:31 AM »
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  • I remember a TV mini-series in the late 70s called, "The h0Ɩ0cαųst" that promoted sympathy for the Jєωs re: the whole lie about  6 million Jєωs. Of course the Jєω run masonic media ranted about that mini-series with high praises for weeks advertising it to be sure everyone watched it.  

    But in prior times, due to it originating from the Jєωs themselves, Catholics all over the world never believed the "6 million Jєω lie". My guess is that pre-1950, you'd be hard pressed to convince any faithful Catholic of the 6 million Jєωs lie, but by 1980,  nearly all have accepted the lie to be true.  

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Why Arent Sedevacantists more impressive?
    « Reply #286 on: February 15, 2019, 08:37:32 PM »
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  • Don't use the word h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Jєωs were murdered, catholics were murdered.  Christ is the true h0Ɩ0cαųst a Holy sacrifice.  That is the true definition of h0Ɩ0cαųst, a Holy Sacrifice to satisfy God.


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    Re: Why Arent Sedevacantists more impressive?
    « Reply #287 on: February 24, 2019, 10:14:49 AM »
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  • Don't use the word h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Jєωs were murdered, catholics were murdered.  Christ is the true h0Ɩ0cαųst a Holy sacrifice.  That is the true definition of h0Ɩ0cαųst, a Holy Sacrifice to satisfy God.

    This is the key to understanding the whole issue.  The word "h0Ɩ0cαųst" is a religious term.  It means a burned offering.  It alludes to a Jєωιѕн belief that they are special to God and that therefore their deaths matter more than anyone else's and have a special significance.  This is why Jєωιѕн spokespersons object to discussion of other people killed in WWII or to people referring to the millions killed by abortion as a "h0Ɩ0cαųst."

    "h0Ɩ0cαųstianity" is the forerunner of the identity politics currently plaguing society.  It introduces the pattern of identifying a group as "victims" which gives them a special status.  It was a sort of "Jєωιѕн lives matter" which has since branched into "black lives matter" "women's lives matter" "gαy lives matter" etc.  Ironically, this is accompanied by increasing devaluing of life in general.  Designated victims' lives matter, but it becomes more and more acceptable to kill the unborn, the elderly or to commit ѕυιcιdє.

    The "h0Ɩ0cαųst" narrative was never about historical accuracy.  It is about imposing what is essentially a religious view on others in order to control and manipulate them.  This would be the case even if it were true that 6 million Jєωs were deliberately killed by nαzιs.  Greg (I see that he is no longer with us) was missing the point by talking about numbers and cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs.  Whatever actually happened in history does not affect the fact that this narrative is currently a tool of social and political manipulation.  There is overwhelming evidence of this and this is the thing that actually affects our lives.

    I think the main reason that people deny or question the narrative is in order to resist the manipulation.  That is clearly an understandable and just reason.  I doubt it is the most effective means of resistance but it is absurd to treat it as a crime or a sin, as many do.  

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    Re: Why Arent Sedevacantists more impressive?
    « Reply #288 on: February 24, 2019, 11:21:50 AM »
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  • I also notice that JayneK lies about me and says I keep a file on her (not that this would be wrong, but I don't):

    What a lying unconverted Jєω snake she is. This is a woman who once said that anti-Jєωιѕнness has nothing to do with Catholicism, but had to backtrack. She was later an apologist for VoxClamantis' homo and tranny promotion. No, I don't keep a file on anyone on these forums, it just so happens that I've been reading these forums since 2006 or so and develop views on people from reading lots of posts. She lied about me another time and said I followed her to this forum, when I'd been here years before she came.

    I was not lying.  I said that you keep a file on me because that is what I honestly believe based on things you've said and your history of posting many years old quotes from me that portray me in a bad light.  Since you seem so good at producing quotes, perhaps you can try to come up with one to support your claim that I said you followed me to the forum.  But you won't find one because I never said that.

    I have been posting here and on other forums for around a decade now and consistently express orthodox and traditional views, moreso over time as I've learned to recognize the modernist errors I was immersed in before discovering traditional Catholicism.  There is no basis for claiming that I am "unconverted".

    It is true that I once said that anti-Jєωιѕнness had nothing to do with Catholicism.  It was around 10 years ago.  I was very new to tradition at the time and as the discussion continued and people explained the issue to me I understood it better.  Even you admit that I back-tracked.  Why would a person who spent 30 years in the Novus Ordo  automatically get everything right as soon as she became a trad?

    And yes, I started out going along with what VoxClamanits was promoting on Fisheaters.  Eventually I figured out it was wrong, spoke up about it and got banned from that forum.  This is all a matter of public record and it easy enough to confirm that I have not posted there for over 5 years. 

    Hostility to actual Jєωs is one thing, but refusal to accept someone's sincere conversion to Catholicism is another.  I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God. There is nothing in my post history to show otherwise.   I am, however, guilty of  not realizing how much I still needed to learn when I first found traditional Catholicism.  I should have been more humble and docile.  I was too proud and opinionated.  I probably still am, but this does not mean that I am not really a Catholic.  

    I'm surprised and disgusted how many Jєωιѕн shills we have even in this hidden away corner of the Internet. I thought Tradforums would've been too under the radar for them to bother with, yet it seems no one's safe. 

    If there actually are Jєωιѕн shills on this forum, they would not be people who draw scrutiny to themselves by admitting to having Jєωιѕн ancestry.  A shill would turn up with impeccable "trad cred," probably claim to be a cradle Catholic, and, on this forum, claim to be an ardent supporter of the Resistance.  Also a Jєωιѕн shill would write pro-Israel posts.  I have never, not even when new to tradition, said anything positive about the State of Israel.  I spent some time there in my youth and formed a strong negative opinion of it.

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    Re: Why Arent Sedevacantists more impressive?
    « Reply #289 on: February 27, 2019, 12:57:17 PM »
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  • You might be generally intelligent and educated about many things, but the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" is certainly one of your blind spots, Greg. You simply don't know what you're talking about. You clearly haven't looked into it very deeply.

    Greg's "intelligence" is limited to dealing with practical or worldly matters.  He is very weak in dealing with theoretical, philosophical or spiritual matters.   It makes sense that he would be pro-Jєωιѕн because the original rejection of Christ by the Jєωs came from the worldliness and spiritual blindness which prevented them from recognizing that the Messiah they claimed to be waiting for had arrived.

    It is not just the "h0Ɩ0cαųst", people need to be more skeptical about what we are told about history in general.  A great deal of history, as popularly understood, is simply wrong.  For example, much of what most people think they know about the Middle Ages is anti-Catholic propaganda and is not true at all.

    For those of you homeschooling who want to introduce your children (probably teenage level) to the idea of the untrustworthiness of claims about history, a book that I like is The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey.  It is about a police detective stuck in the hospital after a serious injury who tries to alleviate his boredom by investigating a murder case from history, the alleged murder of the Princes in the Tower by King Richard the Third.  Along the way he discovers just how unreliable most sources of history are.

    By the way, it is interesting to consider how "revisionists" about Richard the Third are treated.  They can write books to claim that he was innocent.  The can form groups, such as the Richard the Third Society, dedicated to the idea of his innocence.  There is no problem at all with them challenging the popular understanding.  This is what happens when people disagree about a matter of history and there is nobody trying to suppress them for political reasons.  The contrast with how the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" is treated is remarkable.