Quote from: TKGS

This is amusing.  

rum complains that sedevacantists aren't "impressive" enough while Matto complains that they aren't "humble" enough.  We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

rum:  You've been a member now for 6 days and you've already sized up the sedevacantists on the forum a great deal.  Now that's impressive.

If it makes you feel any better, I wasn't thinking of you when I made my post, but I believe it to be true for many sedevacantists, especially those with an internet presence. And rum used to post here for a while under a different name so he isn't really a new member.

Mod edit: CathInfo is NOT a sedevacantist forum. You speak for yourself! Only I can speak for the forum.


Then who were you thinking of?  I mean, you are on a sede forum.  Are most of us there what you were thinking of ? And if not, exactly where do you come up with this conclusion?  
 

Quote from: AMDGJMJ

And these three faults are what make it so that sedes are not more united; in fact, it is the reason why traditional Catholics in general are not more united.

Actually, the faults you describe are faults that have been a problem in the human race since...Adam.

The most evident reason why traditional Catholics in general are not more united is because there is no uniting force at this time.  In other words, the lack of unity seen among Catholics is, itself, a sign that there is no pope at the moment to unite Catholics.

I absolutely agree!  In fact...  They have been the primary cause of all evil since the rebellion of the fallen angels.

If mankind was not so stubborn, selfish or proud...  The Church would probably still be in tact with a full running hierarchy.  It is due to our sins and lack of prayer and penance in making atonement that we have deserved this crisis in the world...

I never said I could prove that sedes are as likely to be Judaized and infected with political correctness as trads in other groups. I could prove that some of them are, but I don't think I could (or would want to) prove that the same percentage in every trad group have these flaws.

It would be nice, to those of us who are confused, if there were clearer markers. Perhaps it was a mistake to mention sedes. I could have just said that I notice that every trad group has bad eggs, which makes deciding which one has the best explanation for the crisis more difficult. Those with knowledge of theology (or think they do) seem to be more confident in their positions.

I have felt this way many times...

And I think that just about every honest traditional Catholic wishes that everything was more simple, clear, and easy...

We must keep fighting, praying, and hoping that God will restore Christendom.

Only He can accomplish this.  Yet, it is through the prayers and sacrifices of mankind that this will be achieved.

Quote from: TKGS

This is amusing.  

rum complains that sedevacantists aren't "impressive" enough while Matto complains that they aren't "humble" enough.  We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

The saints were humble and impressive.

So, let this then become our goal...

To become the humble and impressive traditional Catholic saints that we wish we could see in everyone else!  

Pope Pius XII stated, when Russia, Bolshevic, took over and replaced their priest, bishops with their own kind to support Gov't, anyone who takes this position, or align themselves to them are excommunicated.

We who are traditional, are traditional, because we refuse to align ourselves with those who are excommunicated.  It takes no tribunal to excommunicate ourselves and that includes a pope.

When Russia took over it was by force.  In the USA, it was to be slow, very slow, weaken and take over.  We had that in the 40's at least.

We will know our enemies by their fruits.  As True Catholics, whether a name is in the Mass or not, we pray for all enemies, for conversion.  In the Mass it is said, N. or Pope,  and N. our Bishop, all "True Believers, who cherish the catholic and apostolic church.  Those that Pope Pius XII referred to as excommunicated, are not true believers, and do not cherish the church, for their fruits tell it, and Christ told us that we would know them by their fruits.

We all can not align ourselves for they are excommunicated for their manifest actions.  We know, that for example, New Order, publicly destroyed the Mass.  That is it!  They also use great words that they are pro-life and their fruits are the money that goes to charities that support abortion.

The proof  of the New Order Mass destroyed should be enough!  A pope that does that excommunicates himself and we pray for his conversion.

Quote from: 2Vermont

Then who were you thinking of?  I mean, you are on a sede forum.  Are most of us there what you were thinking of ? And if not, exactly where do you come up with this conclusion?  
 

EXCUSE me?

This is most certainly NOT a sede forum. I am the sole moderator and owner, and I am not even sedevacantist!  So how could this be a sede forum?

And where on this forum -- anywhere -- does it say this is a sedevacantist forum?

It's a Traditional Catholic forum that allows as many "flavors" as will get along and co-exist in peace, at least for the minutes they are on here each day.  If anything, it's a Resistance forum. And the Resistance is not sedevacantist.

CathInfo's "position" if it had one, would be that of Bishop Williamson.

Long story short, let the owner/moderator speak for the forum -- you speak for yourself.

Her use of the word "there" suggests she's talking about somewhere else.

It is a bit confusing.

Quote from: 2Vermont

Then who were you thinking of?  I mean, you are on a sede forum.  Are most of us there what you were thinking of ? And if not, exactly where do you come up with this conclusion?  
 

EXCUSE me?

This is most certainly NOT a sede forum. I am the sole moderator and owner, and I am not even sedevacantist!  So how could this be a sede forum?

And where on this forum -- anywhere -- does it say this is a sedevacantist forum?

It's a Traditional Catholic forum that allows as many "flavors" as will get along and co-exist in peace, at least for the minutes they are on here each day.  If anything, it's a Resistance forum. And the Resistance is not sedevacantist.

CathInfo's "position" if it had one, would be that of Bishop Williamson.

Long story short, let the owner/moderator speak for the forum -- you speak for yourself.

LOL. You're funny Matthew.  You really thought I was referring to THIS forum as a sede forum.    

Quote from: rum

All  trad groups are about equally impressive/unimpressive when it comes to members infected with PC ideas and Judaized.

Then why just bring up sedevacantists if you think sedevacantists are on the same level as the SSPX, R&R, etc.?  

Yeah, I should have given the thread a different title and spread the observation across several trad groups. I've been thinking about sedes a lot lately because I've been spending a lot of time on another forum that is pro-sede. Griff Ruby posts at this other forum, and he's respected by many of the people on that forum. And yet he posts major error on Jєωs, which I highlighted in this thread: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Griff-Ruby-is-Questionable-on-the-Jєωs