Author Topic: Why Arent Sedevacantists more impressive? (Read 43412 times)

2Vermont · « **Reply #15 on:** September 26, 2015, 05:51:02 AM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: TKGS
This is amusing.

rum complains that sedevacantists aren't "impressive" enough while Matto complains that they aren't "humble" enough. We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

rum: You've been a member now for 6 days and you've already sized up the sedevacantists on the forum a great deal. Now that's impressive.

If it makes you feel any better, I wasn't thinking of you when I made my post, but I believe it to be true for many sedevacantists, especially those with an internet presence. And rum used to post here for a while under a different name so he isn't really a new member.

Mod edit: CathInfo is NOT a sedevacantist forum. You speak for yourself! Only I can speak for the forum.

Then who were you thinking of? I mean, you are on a sede forum. Are most of us there what you were thinking of ? And if not, exactly where do you come up with this conclusion?

2Vermont · « **Reply #16 on:** September 26, 2015, 06:02:52 AM »

Quote from: AMDGJMJ

The BEST traditional Catholics whom I have ever known were humble "sedes" and members of the "Resistance" who believed their position, but did not proudly or stubbornly force it upon others.

It is these people who do not tell other people that they can only attend Mass in one particular group.

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In my internet travels these are the sedevacantists I have come to know (even before I decided on the SV position). That's why I'm confused when Matto seems to think that most sedes are not this way.

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2015, 06:38:45 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: AMDGJMJ
And these three faults are what make it so that sedes are not more united; in fact, it is the reason why traditional Catholics in general are not more united.

Actually, the faults you describe are faults that have been a problem in the human race since...Adam.

The most evident reason why traditional Catholics in general are not more united is because there is no uniting force at this time. In other words, the lack of unity seen among Catholics is, itself, a sign that there is no pope at the moment to unite Catholics.

I absolutely agree! In fact... They have been the primary cause of all evil since the rebellion of the fallen angels.

If mankind was not so stubborn, selfish or proud... The Church would probably still be in tact with a full running hierarchy. It is due to our sins and lack of prayer and penance in making atonement that we have deserved this crisis in the world...

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #18 on:** September 26, 2015, 06:42:16 AM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

Do you know what a straw man is? You have made statements you can't prove and then pretended that you had proved them and refuted them.

If you do not want to dispute the sede position (I know I don't), then your have made proclamations that are not much help to anybody.

I think that, perhaps, Rum wants to have something to believe in. Which of us does not?

I could be wrong, but it seems that Rum is more inclined to the sede position, and wants a reason to accept it. Yet, he is saying that most sedes whom he has met are too pushy, stuck-up, and uncharitable, and this turns him away a bit...

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #19 on:** September 26, 2015, 06:44:39 AM »

Quote from: rum

I never said I could prove that sedes are as likely to be Judaized and infected with political correctness as trads in other groups. I could prove that some of them are, but I don't think I could (or would want to) prove that the same percentage in every trad group have these flaws.

It would be nice, to those of us who are confused, if there were clearer markers. Perhaps it was a mistake to mention sedes. I could have just said that I notice that every trad group has bad eggs, which makes deciding which one has the best explanation for the crisis more difficult. Those with knowledge of theology (or think they do) seem to be more confident in their positions.

I have felt this way many times...

And I think that just about every honest traditional Catholic wishes that everything was more simple, clear, and easy...

We must keep fighting, praying, and hoping that God will restore Christendom.

Only He can accomplish this. Yet, it is through the prayers and sacrifices of mankind that this will be achieved.