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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2018, 04:56:31 PM »
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    A heretic on the Throne of St. Peter could lead millions, over a billion even, to damnation. 
    As long as the heretic did not COMMAND those to follow him into sin, then his heresy is not from his Church office, but from his own sinful heart.  
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #121 on: April 13, 2018, 05:01:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 13, 2018, 04:58:31 PM

    You can lie all you like but all it takes is flicking back one page to see what you actually said. I did not at any point in this thread say Francis was a heretic. I commented only on ramifications of the Pope becoming a heretic and what it would mean for his Papacy. Then after I mentioned the effects of a heretic on the Throne of St. Peter, you said "And yet God has allowed it." You said that God allowed a heretic on the Throne of St. Peter. Your words, not mine. I have picture evidence above that can be verified by anyone by flicking back one page.

    You are pathetic at lying. Give it up.

    Sedes make up accusations all the time. I did not say that God allowed a heretic on the throne of St. Peter. You think that you can trip us up in this manner. It's not working. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #122 on: April 13, 2018, 05:05:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 13, 2018, 05:04:15 PM
    I literally post a picture of you saying it, and yet you still say I made it up. You are honestly mentally ill if you can look in the face of PICTURE PROOF of YOUR OWN WORDS and still say "nuh uh never said that!". Your continued lying will reap you no rewards.

    I did not say what you said I said. Keep posting your picture as "proof" if you like. I don't mind.

    Try to calm down. Is it really worth getting so upset over? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #123 on: April 13, 2018, 05:11:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 13, 2018, 05:08:35 PM
    Are you actually illiterate or just playing dumb?
    I said "A heretic on the Throne of St. Peter could lead millions, over a billion even, to damnation."
    to which you responded:
    "And yet God has allowed it."

    That is word for word the exchange there, as can again be verified by the image. What exactly were you referring to when you said "God has allowed IT.", if not what you were quoting? What did God allow?

    I did not say that a heretic is on the throne of St. Peter. I'll keep repeating it for as long as you feel like playing this game.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #124 on: April 13, 2018, 05:26:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 13, 2018, 05:14:29 PM
    Then, to repeat myself YET AGAIN, what did you mean when you said "God has allowed it." while quoting my post talking about the scenario of a heretical Pope, what did "IT" refer to?
    Why must you always dodge questions? Do you really think you're fooling anyone with your incessant equivocation? If you had a defense you'd make it.

    I'm not trying to fool anyone. Sedes often assume the worst of everyone. Paranoia, maybe. Debating with sedes is a futile task. I would make a defense, but you will just twist it, like you have with the above situation. So why bother.

    It's not equivocation to not give sedes a clear answer. Because the Crisis is not a clear situation. Like I said, it's not black-and-white. You will not accept that though.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #125 on: April 14, 2018, 10:04:15 AM »
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    • The question should be why aren’t non sedes loud and proud about their position that a non catholic is their pope
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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #126 on: April 14, 2018, 02:48:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: sedevacantist3 on April 14, 2018, 10:04:15 AM
    The question should be why aren’t non sedes loud and proud about their position that a non catholic is their pope

    The reason that we aren't loud and proud is that we don't really view it the same way. At least for me that's true. Sedes obsess on the pope. As if everything depends on whether or not the pope is the pope.

    There is a Crisis in the Church. The modernist popes are at the helm of the conciliar church. We can't really change that, except to pray, offer sacrifice, and try to live a good Catholic life and hopefully be a good example to others as well as standing up for truth when there is an offense against it. Obsessing on the Pope issue can take away from what's really important.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #127 on: April 14, 2018, 03:19:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on April 14, 2018, 02:48:40 PM
    The reason that we aren't loud and proud is that we don't really view it the same way. At least for me that's true. Sedes obsess on the pope. As if everything depends on whether or not the pope is the pope.

    There is a Crisis in the Church. The modernist popes are at the helm of the conciliar church. We can't really change that, except to pray, offer sacrifice, and try to live a good Catholic life and hopefully be a good example to others as well as standing up for truth when there is an offense against it. Obsessing on the Pope issue can take away from what's really important.
    I can only speak for myself, I don’t obsess over the “pope”. I just know he ain’t my pope, if you can live with thinking he’s your pope than so be it , I don’t believe it will affect your salvation for being so wrong on this issue . What i do find disturbing is the anti sede sentiment I find from members on this site 
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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #128 on: April 14, 2018, 03:34:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: sedevacantist3 on April 14, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
    I can only speak for myself, I don’t obsess over the “pope”. I just know he ain’t my pope, if you can live with thinking he’s your pope than so be it , I don’t believe it will affect your salvation for being so wrong on this issue . What i do find disturbing is the anti sede sentiment I find from members on this site

    If we all had a live and let live attitude towards the pope question, then maybe there wouldn't be a big problem. Yes, there are problems on both sides of the issue. But....there seems to be a good reason, IMO, for the anti-sede sentiment. The dogmatic sedes create problems in that they are so sure of their position, and that they believe that all Catholics should hold their position on the matter. They seem to be obsessive.

    Bishop Faure once said that the Resistance is attacked from two sides--from the left, who want an accord with Rome, and from the right - the sedevacantists. 

    This site allows the sedes who are against the Resistance to post here. That's going to create some problems, don't you think?
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #129 on: April 14, 2018, 05:20:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on April 14, 2018, 03:34:39 PM
    If we all had a live and let live attitude towards the pope question, then maybe there wouldn't be a big problem. Yes, there are problems on both sides of the issue. But....there seems to be a good reason, IMO, for the anti-sede sentiment. The dogmatic sedes create problems in that they are so sure of their position, and that they believe that all Catholics should hold their position on the matter. They seem to be obsessive.

    Bishop Faure once said that the Resistance is attacked from two sides--from the left, who want an accord with Rome, and from the right - the sedevacantists.

    This site allows the sedes who are against the Resistance to post here. That's going to create some problems, don't you think?
    I don’t see why any sedes should be against resistance priests , I attend a resistance mass , just because they are wrong on this issue is no concern of mine.  When these priests mention they are attacked by the sedes as if that equates to the same attacks from the novus ordo,I have to laugh . The novus ordo is an attack on the catholic faith while the sede position does no such thing. 
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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #130 on: April 14, 2018, 07:56:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 13, 2018, 04:56:31 PM
    As long as the heretic did not COMMAND those to follow him into sin, then his heresy is not from his Church office, but from his own sinful heart.  

    True, but ONLY because he would no longer possess any Church office.
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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #131 on: April 14, 2018, 09:08:52 PM »
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    • No, because he didn’t use the authority of his office.  
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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #132 on: April 15, 2018, 10:42:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: sedevacantist3 on April 14, 2018, 05:20:31 PM
    I don’t see why any sedes should be against resistance priests , I attend a resistance mass , just because they are wrong on this issue is no concern of mine.  When these priests mention they are attacked by the sedes as if that equates to the same attacks from the novus ordo,I have to laugh . The novus ordo is an attack on the catholic faith while the sede position does no such thing.

    You don't see why sedes should be against Resistance priests? Sedes on this forum speak out against what they call "R&R" all the time. Haven't you noticed that?

    You are not against the Resistance, but most of the other sedes on this forum are against it. It's just as if those who want an accord with Rome were to have a strong presence here.

    Bp. Faure is the one who said that the Resistance is attacked from both the left and the right - from the accordistas and from the sedes. That's been his experience, and I can try to find the interview where he says this, if you like. Judging by the posts of the sedes here, I have to conclude that Bp. Faure is correct. This forum allows a platform for the anti-Resistance Catholics to speak out against it. But then the forum also allows flat earth discussion. The difference being that at least most of the flat-earthers support the Resistance. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why arent sedevacantists loud and proud about their position?
    « Reply #133 on: April 15, 2018, 01:14:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on April 15, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
    You don't see why sedes should be against Resistance priests? Sedes on this forum speak out against what they call "R&R" all the time. Haven't you noticed that?

    You are not against the Resistance, but most of the other sedes on this forum are against it. It's just as if those who want an accord with Rome were to have a strong presence here.

    Bp. Faure is the one who said that the Resistance is attacked from both the left and the right - from the accordistas and from the sedes. That's been his experience, and I can try to find the interview where he says this, if you like. Judging by the posts of the sedes here, I have to conclude that Bp. Faure is correct. This forum allows a platform for the anti-Resistance Catholics to speak out against it. But then the forum also allows flat earth discussion. The difference being that at least most of the flat-earthers support the Resistance.
    I guess we should clarify what attack really means. You say the sedes here are       against the resistance. I’m against their position that i have to acknowledge this pope as head  of the Church of Christ, other than that I attend their mass. Are you trying to say the resistance people don’t attack the sedes? I have heard Father Hewko say the same thing “attacked from both sides “ but I don’t see how they are attacked more than sedes are attacked , maybe you can enlighten me .
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