Author Topic: Why arent pulpits used in the Novus Ordo anymore? (Read 1226 times)

Disputaciones · « **on:** April 07, 2016, 07:33:11 PM »

The new "churches" don't even build pulpits, and in the ones that were constructed before v2, they don't ever use them.

I haven't seen any traditionalist explain or talk about this.

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2016, 07:42:55 PM »

Pulpits are not conducive to the entertainment medium.

By the way, I am not being facetious here. Modern priests are taught to "connect" with their audience--not "teach" them. You just can't connect with an audience standing in a pulpit.

Geremia · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:13:39 PM »

Interesting question

A pulpit makes a very clear distinction between Ecclesia docens (teaching body) and Ecclesia discens (hearing body) (www.newadvent.org/cathen/13598b.htm) of the Church, a distinction which is inimical to Modernist "dialogue." There is a clear teacher and leader, and a clear learner and follower with a pulpit. Novus Ordo priests using wireless mics, walking around through the aisle and pews, asking questions, etc., is dialogue; dialogue is for when both parties want to learn something, but a priest must simply be a "relayer" of the same old doctrine passed on through Tradition.

(I'm reminded of

Quote from: Francis

If you want to know who she [the B.V.M.] is, you ask theologians; if you want to know how to love her, you have to ask the people.…We should not even think, therefore, that ‘thinking with the church’ means only thinking with the hierarchy of the church.

This is a blurring of the Ecclesia docens vs. Ecclesia discens distinction.)

MMagdala · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2016, 01:09:27 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Pulpits are not conducive to the entertainment medium.

By the way, I am not being facetious here. Modern priests are taught to "connect" with their audience--not "teach" them. You just can't connect with an audience standing in a pulpit.

And also possibly because of how "oppressive" it is for a priest to be seen "apart from" (and heaven forbid, "higher than") his congregation. Must be "on their same level." (Way to apologize for the ministerial priesthood and for authority in general. Authority, bad; equality, good.)

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2016, 02:33:15 AM »

I do know of one Novus Ordo parish that has priests who use the old pulpit with stairs. For one thing, the pulpit is made of stone, and it would take a lot to try to remove it. I know that the stone altar in the church was also cut off from the back after the Council. The priests did not want to do that though but were forced to do so.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2016, 02:36:10 AM »

Quote from: Geremia

Interesting question

A pulpit makes a very clear distinction between Ecclesia docens (teaching body) and Ecclesia discens (hearing body) (www.newadvent.org/cathen/13598b.htm) of the Church, a distinction which is inimical to Modernist "dialogue." There is a clear teacher and leader, and a clear learner and follower with a pulpit. Novus Ordo priests using wireless mics, walking around through the aisle and pews, asking questions, etc., is dialogue; dialogue is for when both parties want to learn something, but a priest must simply be a "relayer" of the same old doctrine passed on through Tradition.

(I'm reminded of
Quote from: Francis
If you want to know who she [the B.V.M.] is, you ask theologians; if you want to know how to love her, you have to ask the people.…We should not even think, therefore, that ‘thinking with the church’ means only thinking with the hierarchy of the church.
This is a blurring of the Ecclesia docens vs. Ecclesia discens distinction.)

I wholeheartedly agree! The ridiculous confusion of the proper roles of clergy and laity in the Church is a big reason why vocations are in decline, but strangely, many Catholics fail to see that their actions do not match their words. They may say they want vocations but do not encourage young boys enough to serve at the altar and do not explicitly prohibit girls from doing so.

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2016, 02:20:19 AM »

It is not clled a pulpit. It is called an ambo

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2016, 06:41:39 AM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

I do know of one Novus Ordo parish that has priests who use the old pulpit with stairs. For one thing, the pulpit is made of stone, and it would take a lot to try to remove it. I know that the stone altar in the church was also cut off from the back after the Council. The priests did not want to do that though but were forced to do so.

In many of these kinds of Churches that couldn't be fully remodeled, there were mysterious fires that necessitated the demolition of the building so that a completely new structure could be built.

Prayerful · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2016, 06:48:12 PM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

I do know of one Novus Ordo parish that has priests who use the old pulpit with stairs. For one thing, the pulpit is made of stone, and it would take a lot to try to remove it. I know that the stone altar in the church was also cut off from the back after the Council. The priests did not want to do that though but were forced to do so.

I thought in those cases they were meant to place a table before the altar, not wreck altars. I know the Indult parish near me uses the pulpit for the Mass, but when a Novus Ordo is celebrated, a communion table is wheeled out, and a priest preaches from a lectern.

OHCA · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2016, 11:51:54 PM »

Now I'm not the only one who has escaped from conciliardom who has seen prietenders regularly come down into the aisle and tell long involved jokes etc. in their homilies, now am I? The stuffiness of a pulpit would have robbed me of much laughter as a child. Oh, and the old priest (unfortunately he was old enough that he was a valid priest and old enough to know better) who gave a run down of the region's high school football scores in his homily wouldn't have been nearly as charming behind a pulpit.