Author Topic: Why arent pulpits used in the Novus Ordo anymore? (Read 1923 times)

Disputaciones · « **on:** April 07, 2016, 07:33:11 PM »

The new "churches" don't even build pulpits, and in the ones that were constructed before v2, they don't ever use them.

I haven't seen any traditionalist explain or talk about this.

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2016, 07:42:55 PM »

Pulpits are not conducive to the entertainment medium.

By the way, I am not being facetious here. Modern priests are taught to "connect" with their audience--not "teach" them. You just can't connect with an audience standing in a pulpit.

Geremia · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:13:39 PM »

Interesting question

A pulpit makes a very clear distinction between Ecclesia docens (teaching body) and Ecclesia discens (hearing body) (www.newadvent.org/cathen/13598b.htm) of the Church, a distinction which is inimical to Modernist "dialogue." There is a clear teacher and leader, and a clear learner and follower with a pulpit. Novus Ordo priests using wireless mics, walking around through the aisle and pews, asking questions, etc., is dialogue; dialogue is for when both parties want to learn something, but a priest must simply be a "relayer" of the same old doctrine passed on through Tradition.

(I'm reminded of

Quote from: Francis

If you want to know who she [the B.V.M.] is, you ask theologians; if you want to know how to love her, you have to ask the people.…We should not even think, therefore, that ‘thinking with the church’ means only thinking with the hierarchy of the church.

This is a blurring of the Ecclesia docens vs. Ecclesia discens distinction.)

MMagdala · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2016, 01:09:27 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Pulpits are not conducive to the entertainment medium.

By the way, I am not being facetious here. Modern priests are taught to "connect" with their audience--not "teach" them. You just can't connect with an audience standing in a pulpit.

And also possibly because of how "oppressive" it is for a priest to be seen "apart from" (and heaven forbid, "higher than") his congregation. Must be "on their same level." (Way to apologize for the ministerial priesthood and for authority in general. Authority, bad; equality, good.)

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2016, 02:33:15 AM »

I do know of one Novus Ordo parish that has priests who use the old pulpit with stairs. For one thing, the pulpit is made of stone, and it would take a lot to try to remove it. I know that the stone altar in the church was also cut off from the back after the Council. The priests did not want to do that though but were forced to do so.