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Why are sede TradCaths the most patient and kindest?
« on: September 26, 2011, 12:30:18 PM »
(OK, I know someone will disagree and come up sedes they know who are morons...just bear with me, please!)

I'm 52 years old and have been a baptized Traditional Catholic since age 18 (1978). In that time I have met MANY sedes, novus ordos, SSPXers, and everything in between (what little is left in between anyway).

Why is it that sedevecantists, with very few exceptions, in my experience, have been the nicest, most patient, most loving, most charitable Catholics, and also have the best sense of humor?

The novus ordos and the SSPxers are the worst, in general, with few exceptions...uptight, judgemental, etc

Why is this? I'm very much a "by their fruits ye shall know them" kind of person, so I've noticed this over the last 30 plus years.

In my lifetime I was honored and blessed to know many traditional priests, many long since departed, while some are still with us, thankfully, such as Bishop Robert F McKenna (Fr Francis Fenton, Fr Roy Randolph, Fr Victor Mroz, and others have departed). Every one of them were very holy, saintly, humble men, and if the church were not in the shambles it is/are in terms of organization, they could be canonized. All of these men were sedevacantists/close to it, or otherwise independent. Only one is SSPX and I won't mention his name because he is still alive, thank God.

I just wish I didn't live so far away from the closest sede chapel!

Offline MaterDominici

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 12:56:08 PM »
I was laughing before I even read your post.  :smile:

Your experiences might be honest, but I don't think there's any evidence on this board that such is the case.

Apart from online, I can't comment as there are no sede organizations in my part of the world, so I suppose I've never met a sede in real life. At least not one who is open about their position.


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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2011, 12:58:38 PM »
You're new to this forum, so I'll start out by introducing myself as someone who is very common sense/down-to-earth (as opposed to "intellectual"), which I got from the Irish part of my heritage. Long story short: I'm a big-time "judge by the fruits" kind of person.

And I wouldn't consider going anywhere but an SSPX chapel at this time.

If I was forced to make a generalization (as you made, above) I'd have to say I've experienced the exact opposite -- SSPX devotees being the "living saints", and Sedes being the "uncharitable ones".

But I also have observed exceptions to this generalization -- mostly on this forum.

So it would seem that subjective experience is inconclusive at best in determining the safest place to ride out the Crisis -- I guess it depends on where you live, what chapels you try out, which men you meet from "each side", etc.

Why are sede TradCaths the most patient and kindest?
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 01:21:10 PM »
People are people.  In my experience, there are judgmental people in all the flavors of Traditional Catholicism.  On balance, I would guess that Novus Ordo people are the least judgmental, since their religion is all about people and not God.

Why are sede TradCaths the most patient and kindest?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2011, 01:30:28 PM »
I think when sedes get upset with SSPX's bastardized theology, this is perceived as uncharitable -- by that logic Athanasius, Augustine, etc. were uncharitable.  

As for whether the people in SSPX or sedes are more charitable, it's hard to say, since I have no exposure to SSPX.  My best friend is una cuм, though.  I would say beyond question there is a tendency to pride and anger problems with sedes; but you have to look at why these things are happening.  What are the causes?  

Pride:  Because we're right about something very, very important and it can make us feel "chosen."  

Anger:  Because we're dealing with lots of people who won't listen or don't seem to really care, who come off as apathetic or numb or sullen.  
 
The sedes are the remnant of the Church not in that they're the only ones who are Catholic; SSPX has severe errors, but I don't think it's enough to say they're heretical or non-Catholic ( as soon as I do, I'll let the site know, earning myself the boot in the process, heh ).  But if SSPX were the only trads there were, the Church would be dead, now that they're letting in priests who have phony ordinations.  Beyond question they are comfortable where they are and have no intention or desire to break with their golden goose, which is usurped and Judaized Rome.  They have a "discussion" every so often with Ratzinger or his cronies just to remind themselves that they're supposed to be fighting... But how can anyone believe at this point that SSPX offers any real resistance to Vatican II?  They were outplayed and outwitted.  They started out on the offensive; and now are pathetically reduced to the defensive, begging for scraps from a non-Catholic ( "Oh sir, we'll say a Rosary Crusade hoping you lift our fake excommunications..." Pathetic! )

I'm not saying they take money from the Novus Ordo.  What I'm saying is that SSPX's "audience" are those trads who have irrational fear that if they say a true Pope isn't a Pope, they'll go to hell; the ones who are wavering and unsure and who either can't or don't want to understand what the Church really teaches in cuм Ex Apostolatus.  If SSPX admitted there was no Pope, BOOM, no more SSPX... They no longer have a niche.  So you see, this creates a problem when it comes to seeking the truth; and the SSPX is selling out the Church, though I'm sure many people in it are well-intentioned.  They just don't consider the long-term ramifications of what they're doing.  They are defending this imitation church that is destroying the episcopacy, playing right into the devil's hands.

So perhaps it's better to say we are the true resistance, while all the trads taken together are the remnant.  But without us it is doom for the Church.  I think if any SSPX people here one day see the light and become sede, they will quickly understand why we have a propensity to rage.  The SSPX is enraging.  It reminds me of arguments I'd have as a kid where my friend would stick his fingers in his ears and go NA NA NA.  After how many decades of heretic, Judaizing "Popes" will people get a clue about what's really happening?