Author Topic: Malachi Martin: What is the truth? (Read 21983 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #90 on:** August 02, 2011, 09:43:03 AM »

Yeah, rows clearly isn't Traditional. Just because the Vatican gave him a "dispensation" does not mean that Fr. Malachi Martin was worthy of it. You obviously aren't aware of what went on during Vatican II. Here's a scary quote from Paul VI.

Paul VI told the U.N. assembly in New York, Mar. 6, '67: "Your vocation is to bring not just some people, but all people together as brothers. [ ! ] Who can fail to see the need and importance of thus gradually coming to the establishment of a 'world authority' capable of taking effective action on the juridical and political plane. Delegates to international organization, public officials, gentlemen of the press, teachers and educators, all of you, must realize that you have your part to play in the construction of a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr."

Elizabeth · « **Reply #91 on:** August 02, 2011, 09:52:17 AM »

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Ignoring roscoe (as usual), I'm going to guess rows that you aren't fully Traditional given that last comment you made about satan being enthroned. You must realize that satan was not enthroned in the Catholic Church. The church he was enthroned in was the anti-church, run by Freemasons. Vatican II is not a Catholic council. It can't be. It rejected the Catholic dogma that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. How can it be Catholic? So, the enthronement of satan was entirely possible and likely considering it was not the Catholic Church he was enthroned into.

Yes.

And whereas Rows may have forgotten about The Church Militant, The Church Suffering, and The Church Triumphant, Malachi Martin never did.

Elizabeth I haven't for one moment forgotten about the above. I referred to Malachi Martin as Mr. because of the following. Maybe I should have addressed him as Dr. Martin.

Here's what the Vatican says about him:

"In 1965, Mr. Martin received a dispensation from all privileges and obligations deriving from his vows as a Jesuit and from priestly ordination." [Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, 25 June 1997, Prot. N. 04300/65]."

Please forgive me for saying you might have forgotten.

I believe there are various types of dispensations and arrangements. I can't bring myself to fight with you right now...I'm in my happy place. :chef:

I still love Malachi Martin, though, so see ya later alligator.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #92 on:** August 02, 2011, 12:37:51 PM »

Actually, there are certain priestly obligations from which there can be no dispensation...Tu es sacerdos in aeternum...secundum ordinem Melchisedech...

Who cares what Modernists did or did not do in 1965?

Philip Maguire · « **Reply #93 on:** September 20, 2012, 07:24:42 PM »

There are a couple of mysteries surrounding Fr Martin that I would like answers to.

It looks to me as if he remained a celibate and faithful priest until his death, however I discovered today that his long term landlady or friend, Kakia Livanos, who was two years his senior shares his grave. This seems unusual to me but perhaps they had a long term loving but platonic relationship.

The second thing is his relationship with the murdered Fr Alfred Kunz which Fr Martin attributed to satanists. Their deaths, little more than a year apart, the nature of Fr Kunz's murder, the fact revealed by Fr Martin that Fr Kunz had performed exorcisms, reports that Fr Kunz had been investigating molestation and that Fr Martin attributed much of clerical molestation to satanism leads to the suspicion that perhaps Fr Martin's death was the result of a deliberate accident. I guess we'll never know.

The murder of Fr Kunz, as Fr Martin observed, shows signs of occult involvement. He was by all accounts a fine and much loved priest and a very stable man who had been at his parish for more than 30 years. Yet his murder would seem to have been premeditated. His throat was not merely slashed, it was cut from ear to ear. Around the same time a local farmer reported the slaughter of a cow that he claimed showed signs of being ritualistic.

Whether the two deaths are related I don't know but it would seem that at least in the case of Fr Kunz that it is vital to the public interest that the murderer is apprehended, sooner rather than later.

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #94 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:02:59 PM »

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Angelqueen has done an excellent job of exposing the fraud and huckster Malachi Martin. After reading all the dirt they've dug up on him I don't know how anyone could take anything this guy said or wrote seriously.

You bought into slanted, deceptive trash articles.

The articles ignore any evidence from the same sources that undermine the narrative and agenda for trashing Fr. Martin.

examples that you don't know about since they were deleted from the comments would be the quotes from Edmund Wilson's diaries that show that Fr. Martin was consistent in describing his situation with the Jesuits. The articles tried to state that Martin told Wilson one thing in the 60s and Fr. Fiore in the 80s. He did not. When the writer was presented with these facts from the same pages of his very own sources. He refused to correct the record and went on a witchhunt against anyone who put the lie to his claims.

Another example was the attempt to set Fr. James Lebar against Fr. Martin and Martin's claims of "underground church" in which exorcisms were being done.

Lebar was on EWTN in which he complimented Fr. Martin, gave him credit for teaching him and stated that Hostage to the Devil was an accurate account of the events of exorcisms.

Lebar was further interviewed in Cuneo's "American Exorcism" in which he complimented "the underground church" naming Bill and Elaine Warren, Bishop McKenna and other unnamed priests for getting people help when the Church had dropped the ball.

So, AQ did not do an "excellent" job unless you are talking about a snow job on readers and a hatchet job on Fr. Martin.

A similar attempt to discredit a well known traditional Catholic was done a year or two prior. Atila Sinke Guimareas dealt with it handily and the second attempt was a posthumous attack against Fr. Martin since unlike Guimareas, Fr. Martin isn't around to defend himself and counterattack.

It's the AQ articles that have no credibility. Heck, even the radio transcripts are shoddy. If somebody writes gibberish instead of what is obviously "I was Professore Martin." then they don't know what they doing.