It's curious for any of us who are looking for truth to not realize that there were several Thuc line Bishops who were kicked out by CMRI. One of those being Bishop George Musey. Who they slandered verbally after his attempt to reform them. He did conditionally ordain them, but did not realize the true nature of the problems there. He simply called it spiritual incest. His words. They are basically self taught then and now. Sorry if this offends anyone, but it is the truth. And yes there are good people there who have suffered a lot during the Schukardt era, but it does not make it Catholic now.
I sympathize with wanting to get everything straight as soon as possible, but Bp. Musey pushed them too fast, which is not the mind of the Church. One thing that apparently made Bp. Musey impatient to correct everything was that he believed he had ordinary jurisdiction over the CMRI, and he did not. That was a perfectly good reason to cease working with him. Your usage of "kicked out" shows a bias. No Thuc line bishop has lived with them.
There are two sides to every story. Both make up the history. I will say this, CMRI has fairly represented the side of their critics when I have questioned them. How do I know that? I dealt directly with those critics and the story was the same. I have also spoken to objective third parties who have explained different situations. Overall, CMRI under Bp. Pivarunas has proved itself a worthy organization.
We could sit here for weeks on end and drag the name of just about every single traditional priest through the mud. We could talk about the mistakes of men, now dead and judged, who are unable to defend themselves. If Stubborn or his lady friend think that their favorites are immune, it is because they are completely blind to their own faults and shortcomings. Bp. Pivarunas' list of alleged mistakes or infractions are much shorter than most. I am not advocating doing that to anyone, but what good would it serve? What good has Stubborn achieved by his tirade?
Also, I'm still waiting...Stubborn how have you or anyone else been punished by questioning CMRI, or others that you allege to be cult members? I want names, specific punishments, and the question that caused the punishment.
As usual, you dodge the issue.
This is about the fact that you all say there is no connection with Schuckardt, yet the CMRI website more than once says that there is, though they say it in a way that does not mention his name.
Personally, I have no desire to be connected in anyway to a man who started his own church and called it Catholic, but that's just me, and presumably others out there who are not as indifferent to the situation there as you.
I said your replies are cult like. That you all demonstrate cult like characteristics with your replies. I also already said why - I'm not going back to quote myself, if you would have read what I wrote perhaps you would understand why you all act that way.
Actually, I laid out everything that was known and a summary of my entire knowledge and method of research in one post in particular.
You just won't be happy unless someone says "Oh, wow, Stubborn, thanks for saving me from those awful people. Please, take me to your leader so I can be a real Catholic."
In your pride, you don't realize that you are making a case for the CMRI and one against yourself.
So, tell me again, since you highlighted the fact that these alleged cult like members punish questioners dissenters: How were you, or any person punished? Give names, the dissent or question asked, and their subsequent punishment.
You highlighted that point buddy, not me. Now, I want to know the detail about these people who were punished so that I can admonish those who have sought to punish others.
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