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Offline Meg

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Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2018, 10:46:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 12, 2018, 10:43:39 AM
    He signed most of them. He apparently agreed with them at one time.

    Why would you think that +ABL agreed with the docuмents?
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 10:48:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 12, 2018, 10:46:36 AM
    Why would you think that +ABL agreed with the docuмents?
    He signed his name to them. Signing your name to such docuмents is a manifestation of agreement. 
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 11:09:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 12, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
    He signed his name to them. Signing your name to such docuмents is a manifestation of agreement.

    Not necessarily. How much do you know about +ABL and his role at the Vll Council?
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 11:22:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 12, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
    He signed his name to them. Signing your name to such docuмents is a manifestation of agreement.

    I agree that signing them implies agreement.  I couldn't put my name to anything I didn't agree with and I considered harmful to faith.
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 12:10:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 12, 2018, 10:46:36 AM
    Why would you think that +ABL agreed with the docuмents?

    Probably not what you want to hear, but Archbishop Lefebvre did sign all 16 docuмents of Vatican II Council. He then changed his position several times throughout his life. In 1965 he accepted Vatican II. Later, in 1976, he wrote the book I Accuse the Council stating that it should be rejected. Then, at the beginning of the 80's, he apparently signed a couple of letters assuring John Paul II that he would accept the Council interpreted in the light of Tradition. Later on, he would deny this position and reject Vatican II once again.
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #35 on: February 13, 2018, 02:24:52 PM »
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    • With all the much due respect to Archbishop Lefebvre, IF he did sign all of the VII docuмents and claimed he didn't (which I would have a hard time believing all of that to be the case), then I would go out on a limb to say there will never be any post-conciliar crisis canonization of him. Any devil's advocate would dig into that one.
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #36 on: February 13, 2018, 10:47:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Centroamerica on February 13, 2018, 02:24:52 PM

    With all the much due respect to Archbishop Lefebvre, IF he did sign all of the VII docuмents and claimed he didn't (which I would have a hard time believing all of that to be the case), then I would go out on a limb to say there will never be any post-conciliar crisis canonization of him. Any devil's advocate would dig into that one.
    Have there been any miracles up for authentification which have been attributed to him?
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