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Offline snowball

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Who did not sign V2 ?
« on: September 21, 2016, 03:12:08 PM »
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  • there was one.

    i forgot his name..



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    Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2016, 05:35:56 PM »
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  • One? I thought there was a list of about 350 clergy against.


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    Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 09:55:11 AM »
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  • I'm pretty sure the docuмent in question was December 7 1965
    signing of Dignitatis Humanae. 70 bishops voted against, 2308 for,
    but I'm only talking about the signing that occurred on the official
    docuмent, after Paul VI signed it.
    ABL signed, but clarified that his signature was not to be construed
    as a measure of approval, having voted against.
    It could have been this or some other signing of V2 docuмents.

    Yesterday there was an older man at my mother's house
    from TFP who did the America Needs Fatima presentation.

    He said he knew ABL and De Castro Mayer, he is a Brazilian
    now living in the US. I asked if it was Ottaviani and he said no.

    So we're talking about one bishop who not only voted against
    but refused to even sign
    , and he couldn't think of his name.

    We had started talking about SSPX and he said "oh, but ABL
    signed", and I said, but I thought some even refused to sign,
    and he raised his finger up and said only ONE did not sign.


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    Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 09:38:32 AM »
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  • Archbishop Arrigo Pintonello

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    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 10:01:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    oArchbishop Arrigo Pintonello


    Ab. Pintonello lived long, 1908-2001, looking at his page
    here:
    http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bpinta.html

    I wonder how he continued to be appointed (1965, 1967)
    not resigning until mid-1971.

    Do you know of anything worth reading about him ?
    thanks...


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    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 10:13:21 AM »
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    Do you know of anything worth reading about him ?
    thanks...


    Nothing other than what you can find through Google.

    Offline Mithrandylan

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    « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2016, 12:19:03 PM »
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  • Pinontello was alleged to have been involved in the Von Pentz conclave. Emphasis on alleged, as he himself denied it.

    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2016, 12:42:23 PM »
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    Pinontello was alleged to have been involved in the Von Pentz conclave. Emphasis on alleged, as he himself denied it.



    Unlikely.  Von Pentz (aka "Linus II") has never provided proof and he has a history of fabricating things.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2016, 12:44:00 PM »
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  • I believe that some people also claim that Pintonello succeeded Cardinal Siri (also in the one Houston group that has a history of making things up).

    Pintonello became the stuff of legend because he was the only Bishop known to have refused to sign the V2 docs.  He did come out and publicly defend +Lefebvre.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 24, 2016, 12:44:36 PM »
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  • David Hobson who cllaims Siri was Pope also claims that Pintonello was a part of the secret conclave that elected Siri's successor.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 24, 2016, 12:47:22 PM »
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    David Hobson who cllaims Siri was Pope also claims that Pintonello was a part of the secret conclave that elevted Siri's successor.


    Yeah, Hobson's a known con artist.  I would believe the opposite of anything he says.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 25, 2016, 11:21:53 PM »
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  • ABL did not sign against Vat. II?

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    « Reply #12 on: September 25, 2016, 11:21:58 PM »
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  • I don't know who did not sign the Vatican II docuмents but I do know that Archbishop Lefebvre did sign all of the Vatican II docuмents.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 26, 2016, 05:24:40 AM »
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    I don't know who did not sign the Vatican II docuмents but I do know that Archbishop Lefebvre did sign all of the Vatican II docuмents.


    What is your source for saying this?

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    « Reply #14 on: September 26, 2016, 05:33:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    Pinontello was alleged to have been involved in the Von Pentz conclave. Emphasis on alleged, as he himself denied it.


    from:- http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Unknwn_%20bp's_Consecrations.html


    Bp. von Pentz has since June 1994 acted as Pope Linus II. He resides in Hertfordshire, England..
    In 1999, Dr. Elisabeth Gerstner, his German-language secretary wrote that it would be too dangerous to publish the name of the Roman Catholic bishop who ordained and consecrated Victor von Pentz.  Dr. Gerstner has, however, stated that Linus II was consecrated as "Bishop of Rome" on 7 November 1998 in London, England, by a bishop in apostolic succession through Pope Pius XII.
    She went on to write that this bishop's name would not be revealed until his death out of concern for his safety.
    The secretary also wrote that Archbishop Arrigo Pintonello is a close friend and "co-fighter", who participated "in writing" in the concilium in Assisi.  She added that Pope Linus II celebrates Mass both in the Byzantine and in Roman (neaning Traditional, not Novus Ordo) rites.