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Offline AJNC

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Who did not sign V2 ?
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2016, 05:47:59 AM »
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    Pinontello was alleged to have been involved in the Von Pentz conclave. Emphasis on alleged, as he himself denied it.


    from:- http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Unknwn_%20bp's_Consecrations.html


    Bp. von Pentz has since June 1994 acted as Pope Linus II. He resides in Hertfordshire, England..
    In 1999, Dr. Elisabeth Gerstner, his German-language secretary wrote that it would be too dangerous to publish the name of the Roman Catholic bishop who ordained and consecrated Victor von Pentz.  Dr. Gerstner has, however, stated that Linus II was consecrated as "Bishop of Rome" on 7 November 1998 in London, England, by a bishop in apostolic succession through Pope Pius XII.
    She went on to write that this bishop's name would not be revealed until his death out of concern for his safety.
    The secretary also wrote that Archbishop Arrigo Pintonello is a close friend and "co-fighter", who participated "in writing" in the concilium in Assisi.  She added that Pope Linus II celebrates Mass both in the Byzantine and in Roman (neaning Traditional, not Novus Ordo) rites.


    Sorry that I got into this. Is seems that Linus' papacy disappeared around 2007.

    https://magnuslundberg.net/2016/05/15/modern-alternative-popes-18-linus-ii/
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    « Reply #16 on: September 26, 2016, 12:21:27 PM »
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    David Hobson who cllaims Siri was Pope also claims that Pintonello was a part of the secret conclave that elected Siri's successor.


    There is nothing on his sites, that I ever saw, saying Pintonello participated in a secret conclave. What is your source?
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    « Reply #17 on: September 26, 2016, 12:30:44 PM »
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    David Hobson who cllaims Siri was Pope also claims that Pintonello was a part of the secret conclave that elected Siri's successor.


    There is nothing on his sites, that I ever saw, saying Pintonello participated in a secret conclave. What is your source?


    http://www.cathinfo.com/182861438/2874649/posting/people-must-change-their-thinking-in-order-to-end-crisis
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    « Reply #18 on: September 26, 2016, 12:32:55 PM »
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    • The link is blocked. You can google this and it will come up:

    "in today's catholic world blog people must change their thinking in order to end crisis"
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    « Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 12:44:15 PM »
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    The link is blocked. You can google this and it will come up:

    "in today's catholic world blog people must change their thinking in order to end crisis"


    I found the page you tried to link to and it does not say Pintonello participated at a secret conclave at all.
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    « Reply #20 on: September 26, 2016, 12:50:19 PM »
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    • I just looked at the page again and it is different from what I remembered. It must have been another page on his website. But is does say this :

    "Mon. Carlo Taramasso, who was made a Cardinal by the Hostage Pope, Gregory XVII, in June 1988 at the Istituto Ravasco convent in Rome, Italy - and served as His Holiness' (secret) Secretary of State for 9 months before his (Card. Taramasso's) mysterious death on March 16, 1989."

    I was confusing the two cardinals. I apologize. It was Taramasso, not Pintonello. And it says he died so I was mistaken about that also.

    Now I wonder if I was simply mistaken about Pintonello or if on another page Hobson really did claim Pintonello took place in the conclave. I remember reading it but my memory may have been wrong and he has so many websites I cannot look at them all.
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    Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #21 on: September 27, 2016, 01:33:51 PM »
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    • Getting back to the original question posed in the title of this thread, no Bishop signed or did not sign "Vatican II". There were 16 separate docuмents, each of which was voted on and signed separately from the others, which comprised what we call "Vatican II". Various Council Fathers voted for or against individual docuмents, various Fathers signed or did not sign individual docuмents. No one voted yay or nay on "Vatican II" itself.

    If memory serves, 4 Council Fathers voted against the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy: I believe these were Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, Cardinal Antonio Bacci, Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer, and Archbishop Geraldo Sigaud. I have no idea whether any of the 4 signed the docuмent after it was passed over their votes of "non placet."

    Two of the most controversial docuмents were Gaudium et Spes, the Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World, and Dignitatis Humanae, the Declaration on Religious Liberty. A fairly significant number of Council Fathers (I believe at least a couple hundred) voted against these. Once again, whether they still signed them in the end is a different question.

    It is a fact that Archbishop Lefebvre at least voted against the Declaration on Religious Liberty, and I believe he also did not sign it.

    But once again, getting back to the original question, no one voted yay or nay on "Vatican II".
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    « Reply #22 on: September 27, 2016, 02:38:12 PM »
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    • +Pintonello didn't sign any of the docuмents afterwards.  Saying that he "didn't sign" was just shorthand for that.
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    Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #23 on: October 05, 2016, 12:19:33 AM »
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    I don't know who did not sign the Vatican II docuмents but I do know that Archbishop Lefebvre did sign all of the Vatican II docuмents.


    What is your source for saying this?


    The docuмents themselves.
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #24 on: February 10, 2018, 04:10:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: snowball on September 24, 2016, 10:01:12 AM


    Ab. Pintonello lived long, 1908-2001, looking at his page
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    http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bpinta.html

    I wonder how he continued to be appointed (1965, 1967)
    not resigning until mid-1971.

    Do you know of anything worth reading about him ?
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    It is interesting that those appointments were before the end of Vatican II.  Then he resigned in 1971 at the age of 62.  Died 30 years later.  
    I wish there was more out there about him.  It sounds like he was one of the few hierarchs that remained loyal to the Catholic Faith.
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #25 on: February 10, 2018, 04:43:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on September 24, 2016, 12:44:36 PM
    David Hobson who...
    The Hobgoblin :laugh1:


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    ...claims Siri was Pope also claims that Pintonello was a part of the secret conclave that elected Siri's successor.
    The Siri Thesis memed.

    Pope Casper the Ghost unseen by the Church Militant. ::)






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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #26 on: February 11, 2018, 01:49:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on September 25, 2016, 11:21:53 PM
    ABL did not sign against Vat. II?
    Archbishop Lefebvre signed most of the docuмents of Vatican II. 
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #27 on: February 11, 2018, 02:25:28 AM »
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #28 on: February 11, 2018, 07:20:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 11, 2018, 01:49:02 AM
    Archbishop Lefebvre signed most of the docuмents of Vatican II.
    Earlier in the thread (a few years ago, granted), you said that he didn't sign any of them....which is it?  Does anyone know?  I had always thought that he did sign them all.
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    Re: Who did not sign V2 ?
    « Reply #29 on: February 12, 2018, 10:43:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on February 11, 2018, 07:20:14 AM
    Earlier in the thread (a few years ago, granted), you said that he didn't sign any of them....which is it?  Does anyone know?  I had always thought that he did sign them all.
    He signed most of them. He apparently agreed with them at one time. 
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