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Who Are The Sedevacantists?
« on: October 18, 2012, 12:18:10 PM »
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    All Catholics agree with the statement:

    "A man who is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid."
        But, how many Catholics will agree with his statement:

    "The Pope heretic ceases to be the Pope by himself, without a deposition from the Church."
        This is an important consideration if we are to judge who those referred to as sedevacantists are. Are they heretics? Have they lost the Catholic Faith? Or, are their considerations valid?

        The first statement above comes from St. Paul's Epistle to Titus, Chapter 3, verse 10. No one will doubt what St. Paul says here. After all, they are the words of Scripture and cannot be doubted. The Apostle to the Gentiles here writes to Titus, a man whom he made a bishop, instructing him on the manner of dealing with heretics. "Avoid them", he says, for they are a danger to Faith, having lost it themselves, all the while having no desire to correct their error.

        Now, let's move to the second statement. It takes the concerns of St. Paul one step further. If the Pope should fall into heresy, is he a heretic? Is he protected from heresy? Should we avoid him? What is more important, is he still the Pope?

        Those involved in the Traditional Movement are polarized over the word sedevacantist. Many have been told by priests and lay theologians alike that the "dirty ol' sedevacantists" are not even Catholic. "They don't believe in the Pope, or, if they do, they don't pray for him. They're heretics, or, at best, schismatics." Based on all this, most traditional Catholics would agree that the second statement above is something that would come from the sedevacantists, and, according to their sources and opinions, it is heretical. But, is it?

        Yes, the above statement was made by someone who professed the sedevacantist views, but, no, it is not a heretical statement. How can I say this? Simply because it is a statement made by St. Robert Bellarmine, as found in his writing On The Roman Pontiff. St. Robert Bellarmine is a canonized saint and a Doctor of the Church. His writings are free from error, else he would not be a canonized saint, much less an ecclesiastical Doctor. St. Robert Bellarmine did not consider himself a sedevacantist, for this is a term invented by the lay theologians of our time. But, perhaps, if he were alive today, our saint would agree with the term as applying to himself, but not according to the bombastic definition that has been given for sedevacantism by those who either oppose it or who are afraid of it.

        What does sedevacantist really mean? In short, it comes from the Latin words which mean "the chair is vacant" (sede vacante). It is applied to Catholics who, seeing the heresy prevalent in the modern church, are unwilling to say that the identification of heretics doesn't stop with just some wild lay theologians, or the priests, or the bishops and cardinals. No, the power to permit heresy's survival in our age rests right at the top. What is more, those men who have occupied the Chair of Peter since the Second Vatican Council have done publicly heretical acts -- acts which have been condemned by the Church over the centuries, and which are blatantly performed in spite of these Church decrees. Some of these acts include the destruction of the Roman Mass by the introduction and continued promotion of the Novus Ordo Missae, the promotion of false and heretical ecuмenism, and the participation in false religious acts under the spirit of being "ecuмenical". All these actions are condemned by the Church, and they bring the penalty of excommunication.

        There are not two sets of laws in the Church: one for the faithful, and another for the pope. There is only one law, and that states that those who are involved in acts such as described above are ipso facto (by the very fact) excommunicated and placed outside the Church. Canon Law does not distinguish between a Pope and a non-Pope in this area. Actions done in this way are public, they are manifest, and, as a great consensus of theologians, saints and those not yet raised to the altars, agree: a manifestly heretical Pope ceases to be Pope. He does it to himself by embracing and teaching error in a public manner.

        But, wait a minute? Doesn't sedevacantism contradict the dogma of Papal Infallibility? The catechism teaches that the Pope is incapable of teaching error in matters of faith and morals for the universal Church. This is true. But, does this mean that the Pope would have to die before he would preach heresy to the Church? No. By embracing heretical notions in a public manner (not as a private opinion), and not desiring to correct himself, he separates himself from the Papacy of the Roman Catholic Church, so any statements he makes, even if he still wears the robes and is called "Holy Father" by many, are still not the statements of the Pope. Why? Because one of the first requirements to be the Pope of the Catholic Church is that a man be Catholic, and the public heretic cannot be a member of the Mystical Body of Christ.

        But, who says so? The Church hasn't proclaimed this a dogma, has it? No, for who would ever think this would ever be possible. Yet, saints and theologians have debated this over the centuries, and the majority of them come to the same conclusion: the pope cannot be a heretic.

        Let's look at a few of these statements:


    "Now when he (the pope) is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church must either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See ..." -- St. Francis de Sales

     "There are two instances in which the cardinals may call a council without permission of the Pope. The first is when it is doubtful as to who the rightful Pope should be; and the second, when the Pope should notoriously lapse into heresy. In the first instance, we are guided by the principle 'a doubtful pope is no pope'; in the second, the council will be called to declare what is already an established fact, for the manifestly heretical pope deprives himself of office without needing the decision of the Church." -- St. Alphonsus Ligouri


    "Therefore, the true opinion is the fifth, according to which the Pope who is manifestly a heretic ceases by himself to be Pope and head, in the same way as he ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; and for this reason he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction, and outstandingly that of St. Cyprian (lib. 4, epist. 2) who speaks as follows of Novatian, who was Pope [i.e. antipope] in the schism which occurred during the pontificate of St. Cornelius: 'He would not be able to retain the episcopate [i.e. of Rome], and, if he was made bishop before, he separated himself from the body of those who were, like him, bishops, and from the unity of the Church.' According to what St. Cyprian affirms in this passage, even had Novatian been the true and legitimate Pope, he would have automatically fallen from the pontificate, if he separated himself from the Church.

        "This is the opinion of great recent doctors, as John Driedo (lib. 4 de Script. et dogmat. Eccles., cap. 2, par. 2, sent. 2), who teaches that only they separate themselves from the Church who are expelled, like the excommunicated, and those who depart by themselves from her or oppose her, as heretics and schismatics. And in his seventh affirmation, he maintains that in those who turn away from the Church, there remains absolutely no spiritual power over those who are in the Church. Melchior Cano says the same (lib. 4 de loc., cap. 2), teaching that heretics are neither parts nor members of the Church, and that it cannot even be conceived that anyone could be head and Pope, without being member and part (cap. ult. ad argument. 12). And he teaches in the same place, in plain words, that occult heretics are still of the Church, they are parts and members, and that therefore the Pope who is an occult heretic is still Pope. This is also the opinion of the other authors whom we cite in book I De Ecclesia." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

        Who, then, are the sedevacantists? You have just been reading from their excerpted works.


    Father Kevin Vaillancourt
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church