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Re: White smoke at Vatican
« Reply #150 on: May 09, 2025, 01:19:24 PM »
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  • Leo XIV's first homily:


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    I will begin with a word in English, and the rest is in Italian. But I want to repeat the words from the Responsorial Psalm: “I will sing a new song to the Lord, because he has done marvels.” 

    And indeed, not just with me but with all of us. My brother Cardinals, as we celebrate this morning, I invite you to recognize the marvels that the Lord has done, the blessings that the Lord continues to pour out on all of us through the Ministry of Peter. 


    You have called me to carry that cross, and to be blessed with that mission, and I know I can rely on each and every one of you to walk with me, as we continue as a Church, as a community of friends of Jesus, as believers to announce the Good News, to announce the Gospel.

    "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Mt 16:16). In these words, Peter, asked by the Master, together with the other disciples, about his faith in him, expressed the patrimony that the Church, through the apostolic succession, has preserved, deepened and handed on for two thousand years.

    Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God: the one Savior, who alone reveals the face of the Father.
    In him, God, in order to make himself close and accessible to men and women, revealed himself to us in the trusting eyes of a child, in the lively mind of a young person and in the mature features of a man (cf. Gaudium et Spes, 22), finally appearing to his disciples after the resurrection with his glorious body. He thus showed us a model of human holiness that we can all imitate, together with the promise of an eternal destiny that transcends all our limits and abilities.

    Peter, in his response, understands both of these things: the gift of God and the path to follow in order to allow himself to be changed by that gift. They are two inseparable aspects of salvation entrusted to the Church to be proclaimed for the good of the human race. Indeed, they are entrusted to us, who were chosen by him before we were formed in our mothers' wombs (cf. Jer 1:5), reborn in the waters of Baptism and, surpassing our limitations and with no merit of our own, brought here and sent forth from here, so that the Gospel might be proclaimed to every creature (cf. Mk 16:15).

    In a particular way, God has called me by your election to succeed the Prince of the Apostles, and has entrusted this treasure to me so that, with his help, I may be its faithful administrator (cf. 1 Cor 4:2) for the sake of the entire mystical Body of the Church. He has done so in order that she may be ever more fully a city set on a hill (cf. Rev 21:10), an ark of salvation sailing through the waters of history and a beacon that illumines the dark nights of this world. And this, not so much through the magnificence of her structures or the grandeur of her buildings – like the monuments among which we find ourselves – but rather through the holiness of her members. For we are the people whom God has chosen as his own, so that we may declare the wonderful deeds of him who called us out of darkness into his marvelous light (cf. 1 Pet 2:9).

    Peter, however, makes his profession of faith in reply to a specific question: "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" (Mt 16:13). The question is not insignificant. It concerns an essential aspect of our ministry, namely, the world in which we live, with its limitations and its potential, its questions and its convictions.

    "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" If we reflect on the scene we are considering, we might find two possible answers, which characterize two different attitudes. First, there is the world's response. Matthew tells us that this conversation between Jesus and his disciples takes place in the beautiful town of Caesarea Philippi, filled with luxurious palaces, set in a magnificent natural landscape at the foot of Mount Hermon, but also a place of cruel power plays and the scene of betrayals and infidelity. This setting speaks to us of a world that considers Jesus a completely insignificant person, at best someone with an unusual and striking way of speaking and acting. And so, once his presence becomes irksome because of his demands for honesty and his stern moral requirements, this "world" will not hesitate to reject and eliminate him.

    Then there is the other possible response to Jesus' question: that of ordinary people. For them, the Nazarene is not a charlatan, but an upright man, one who has courage, who speaks well and says the right things, like other great prophets in the history of Israel. That is why they follow him, at least for as long as they can do so without too much risk or inconvenience. Yet to them he is only a man, and therefore, in times of danger, during his passion, they too abandon him and depart disappointed.
    What is striking about these two attitudes is their relevance today. They embody notions that we could easily find on the lips of many men and women in our own time, even if, while essentially identical, they are expressed in different language.
    Even today, there are many settings in which the Christian faith is considered absurd, meant for the weak and unintelligent. Settings where other securities are preferred, like technology, money, success, power, or pleasure.

    These are contexts where it is not easy to preach the Gospel and bear witness to its truth, where believers are mocked, opposed, despised or at best tolerated and pitied. Yet, precisely for this reason, they are the places where our missionary outreach is desperately needed. A lack of faith is often tragically accompanied by the loss of meaning in life, the neglect of mercy, appalling violations of human dignity, the crisis of the family and so many other wounds that afflict our society.

    Today, too, there are many settings in which Jesus, although appreciated as a man, is reduced to a kind of charismatic leader or superman. This is true not only among non-believers but also among many baptized Christians, who thus end up living, at this level, in a state of practical atheism.

    This is the world that has been entrusted to us, a world in which, as Pope Francis taught us so many times, we are called to bear witness to our joyful faith in Jesus the Savior. Therefore, it is essential that we too repeat, with Peter: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Mt 16:16).

    It is essential to do this, first of all, in our personal relationship with the Lord, in our commitment to a daily journey of conversion. Then, to do so as a Church, experiencing together our fidelity to the Lord and bringing the Good News to all (cf. Lumen Gentium, 1).
    I say this first of all to myself, as the Successor of Peter, as I begin my mission as Bishop of Rome and, according to the well-known expression of Saint Ignatius of Antioch, am called to preside in charity over the universal Church (cf. Letter to the Romans, Prologue). Saint Ignatius, who was led in chains to this city, the place of his impending sacrifice, wrote to the Christians there: "Then I will truly be a disciple of Jesus Christ, when the world no longer sees my body" (Letter to the Romans, IV, 1). Ignatius was speaking about being devoured by wild beasts in the arena – and so it happened – but his words apply more generally to an indispensable commitment for all those in the Church who exercise a ministry of authority. It is to move aside so that Christ may remain, to make oneself small so that he may be known and glorified (cf. Jn 3:30), to spend oneself to the utmost so that all may have the opportunity to know and love him.

    May God grant me this grace, today and always, through the loving intercession of Mary, Mother of the Church.

    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #151 on: May 09, 2025, 01:30:48 PM »
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  • Leo XIV's first homily:
     Maybe I'm just thick, but what is wrong with anything that he said here? 

    (Assuming anyone makes that assertion.)


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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #152 on: May 09, 2025, 01:34:18 PM »
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  • It may not be rigged, but it was heavily favored towards Leo XIV. I am becoming increasingly convinced that he is who Francis hand-picked and groomed as his successor.

    Here's how you know: Why else was he made a Cardinal only two and a half years ago? Why did he go from being consecrated as a bishop to Pope in 10 years? The 10th anniversary of his consecration as Bishop of Chiclayo, Peru, was just this past December.

    They're very similar in practice: Both spent much time in impoverished parts of South America, both are theologically fairly liberal, both are big fans of "synodality," and both were heavy critics of Trump, Vance, and GOP immigration policy.

    I tend to think that a lot of them thought going in "we'll pull for our guy [Parolin/Tagle/Sarah/Erdo/whomever], but if there's not enough momentum to swing things our way after a couple of ballots, then we can probably pretty much agree on Prevost, and get this thing over with, rather than grinding down to a deadlock".

    Seen that way, it was probably a foregone conclusion among the cardinals.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #153 on: May 09, 2025, 01:35:57 PM »
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  • The second post above is spot on, and demonstrates the whole conclave was a farce
    in keeping with everything since Vatican II. Nothing will change with post-Vatican II popes.
    Just keep the faith, save your soul and those of your loved ones.
    How God gets rid of them we will have to wait to see.

    Fr. Zepeda says this  ^^^  also.
    This video talks about the cover-up and culpability of Prevost in sɛҳuąƖ scandals, and how Bergoglio knowingly promoted him.  Also, other facts about Prevost, that are available now, but may disappear. 
    Persevere...
    Fear not, nor be any way discouraged- Duet.1:21

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #154 on: May 09, 2025, 01:56:53 PM »
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  • I tend to think that a lot of them thought going in "we'll pull for our guy [Parolin/Tagle/Sarah/Erdo/whomever], but if there's not enough momentum to swing things our way after a couple of ballots, then we can probably pretty much agree on Prevost, and get this thing over with, rather than grinding down to a deadlock".

    Seen that way, it was probably a foregone conclusion among the cardinals.

    Bergoglio installed 108 of them, so they could have installed anyone they wanted to.  I don't believe for a second that the outcome had not been predetermined, especially when ever single conclave after Roncalli took 2 days.  Not possible if they hadn't been predetermined.  2 days is indicative because you can't exactly roll out the selected winner immediately because everyone would know that it had been rigged and there had been collusion.  But you don't feel like waiting longer than you have to just to dispel that inevitable reaction to a very short conclave.  Thus 2 days.


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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #155 on: May 09, 2025, 02:18:00 PM »
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  • Maybe I'm just thick, but what is wrong with anything that he said here? 

    (Assuming anyone makes that assertion.)
    I don't see anything wrong with what he said.  But...i'm not really sure WHAT he said.  :laugh1:  It was a generic, spiritually-sounding, word-salad.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #156 on: May 09, 2025, 02:20:04 PM »
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  • I don't see anything wrong with what he said.  But...i'm not really sure WHAT he said.  :laugh1:  It was a generic, spiritually-sounding, word-salad.

    Some stuff he had written beforehand sounds like total word salad ... but one red light to me was referring to "Mary, Mother of the Church", refusing her the title Mother of God.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #157 on: May 09, 2025, 02:36:34 PM »
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  • Fr. Zepeda says this  ^^^  also.
    This video talks about the cover-up and culpability of Prevost in sɛҳuąƖ scandals, and how Bergoglio knowingly promoted him.  Also, other facts about Prevost, that are available now, but may disappear. 

    Thanks Persto. Great video!
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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #158 on: May 09, 2025, 02:37:43 PM »
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  • Maybe I'm just thick, but what is wrong with anything that he said here? 

    (Assuming anyone makes that assertion.)
    Aside from him saying the "mystical Body of the Church" (could be mistranslated, or him misspeaking. I've only ever read the "Mystical Body of Christ", which is the Church) it seems pretty orthodox to me. But that is the problem, it's not something you would expect from a supposed protege of Francis. He affirms papal primacy, refers to the Church as an "ark of salvation", the members of the Church as "the people whom God has chosen as His own". This isn't like his speech yesterday at all. We'll have to wait and see what else he says/does, but if he continues on like this I wouldn't be surprised if "conservative" Catholics, Indulters, SSPX take this as some sort of Pius IX conversion and fall in line
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #159 on: May 09, 2025, 02:41:01 PM »
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  • Maybe I'm just thick, but what is wrong with anything that he said here? 

    (Assuming anyone makes that assertion.)
    He blew it at his first blessing, so this was his perfect opportunity to say, or at the very least, hint something Catholic, but he didn't even say the word "Catholic." Typical NO homily. Nothing but blah blah blah Jesus, blah blah blah Christ blah blah blah NO useless nothing.

    What gets me is that this man is another one who is on the road to facing Our Lord an idiot at best, or a Judas and worse. It boggles my mind when I think of it. 
     
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #160 on: May 09, 2025, 03:45:09 PM »
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  • Fr. Zepeda says this  ^^^  also.

    Seems like a solid priest, though he contradicts the CMRI position about salvation outside the Church.


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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #161 on: May 09, 2025, 04:57:09 PM »
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  • Interview of Prevost's brother here about his thoughts on his brother getting "elected" "pope". His brother seems effeminate and he has no children. An effeminate boomer with no children and, apparently, never married. An effeminate male with no family of his own and being from the boomer generation must set off the gαydar. Are the sodomites so close to the "papacy" as the "pope's" own brother?

    Start at 6:10


    I can hear that lisp a mile away, wow, talk about being light in the loafers, this fella screams one big bowl of fruit loops.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #162 on: May 09, 2025, 05:06:23 PM »
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  • Some stuff he had written beforehand sounds like total word salad ... but one red light to me was referring to "Mary, Mother of the Church", refusing her the title Mother of God.

    I know you know this, but she is both.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #163 on: May 09, 2025, 05:06:47 PM »
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  • Although I consider myself a sede I admit that I was momentarily caught up in the conclave, the beauty of the spectacle, the anticipation of looking at that balcony, hoping against all odds some miracle might occur...
    and then it took all of about 15 minutes of research once the name was announced to find the following about the creep:
    1. Protected pedophiles check
    2. Advocated for infinity immigration to the West with all the murders, rapes, assorted crimes and
    the misery and taxes that it brings..check
    3. enforced communion in the hand check
    4. like a true coward and Judas to the faith he remained silent while Bergoglio spread heresy after heresy check
    5. Encouraged everyone take the poisonous aborted fetal tissue jab without any regard for their health or soul check
    6. in behalf of Jorge he hand selected fellow apostates to be bishops check

    Points 1 and 5 alone makes him a criminal worthy of a life sentence in prison but 2, 3, 4, 6 classify him as a demon in human form.

    In the coming months I'm sure this list will be greatly expanded
    I'.m at the point now, if you pushed the jab, you should be tossed in the chipper. I don't care who you are, fake pope or not.

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    Re: White smoke at Vatican
    « Reply #164 on: May 09, 2025, 05:10:46 PM »
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  • What kind of man desires to become a novus ordo presider?  Or enter into the purple palace seminaries?  What kind of fruit can the Novus Ordo establishment produce?  It should be obvious to anyone with eyes to see that the Vatican ll religion is not the Catholic religion and the men who enter those seminaries are not intending to become Catholic priests.
    You got the " fruit" part right.